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AOL Tracking?

We get no referrals from AOL?

         

Wlauzon

9:35 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Is it us or is it AOL?

We are able to track sales vs where from for all the usual suspects, such as all the Google variations, Yahoo, Overture, etc.

But in looking over 90 days of logs, I see not one single conversion from AOL. This cannot be right, as we have many orders with AOL email addresses.

monkeythumpa

11:27 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Have you tested your checkout sequence in AOL?

Wlauzon

5:31 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The checkout sequence is no different for any user. Someone suggested that it might be because AOL IP addresses change dynamically all the time, but it seems like that would not affect the session cookie.

larryn

3:37 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do you have ads placed directly at AOL? If your only ads are at the usual suspects (Google, Overture), then they are provided the ads that appear on AOL, so you would see them ad comming from those same sources. You are using tracking URL's right, so if you have AOL specific ads, you would have AOL specific tracking URLs. However, I don't know of a flag ads at Google or Overture to appear only at AOL.

But more importantly, isn't you concern for conversions about how well the ads convert, and not where they are appearing?

But if you really want to track AOL, at their webmaster site, they publish well documented lists of their proxy IP addresses, so if really wanted to do the analysis...

Larry

McElvoy

5:06 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you're running ads, act like a customer, click on the ads, and go through checkout as far as you're willing. Then look at how your own IP appears in your tracking system regarding referrer or whatever it is that you're tracking "where from."

Wlauzon

7:39 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not just talking about the Ads - talking about ANY conversions at all from AOL.

For example, latest 60 day period shows that people came from a total of 1784 URL's. 908 total sales for a total of $467,000+.

Not a single one of those URL's that shows a sale is AOL. 4702 hits from AOL search, 9454 from MSN search. MSN shows 24 sales. (google was 98,000, 151 sales just for reference).

dataKris

5:20 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wlauzon:

Based on my analysis over the past 6 month period about the same problem and reading some posts in this site, I believe it is AOL.

However, here is the disclaimer: It may depend on the analytics software that you use and how that tags users/sessions and tracks them.

Like you said, the customer that uses AOL, has his/her IP possibly changed during the course of one session. That throws my in-house analytics program regularly. I track users by IP and get a low conversion rate from AOL and a huge number of sales from cutomers without referrers.

I did a little bit of path analysis of users referred by AOL and found that a majority of them (unlike other SE referrers) had incomplete paths or atleast my analytics system couldn't track them further. That lead to what seemed like a reasonable conclusion that its AOL thats throwing me off.

That said, I started experimenting with a session cookie based tracking. Don't have too many results to report yet. Will keep you posted.

cgrantski

5:35 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sounds like Wlauzon's using a session cookie, though. But, if there actually are any purchases by AOL searchers (which hasn't been confirmed yet) - it's possible that the session cookie is broken because this truly is an IP discontinuity kind of picture.

I think a good approach is to open a log by hand for a day on which a lot of purchases happened, and examine each purchase session looking for AOL referrals. For those purchases, did the cookie field stay intact through the session? Is the session referrer clearly AOL? Did the stats program count that referrer correctly as AOL? If yes to all the above, then the remaining question is whether the analytics program is really using the cookie instead of IP.

Wlauzon

3:06 am on Mar 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does a session cookie go nuts if the IP changes?

I wonder if that would show up as if "the IP has left the building"?

It is possible also that AOL needs a different "model" of session cookie, that is something I had not considered. We do have orders from people with AOL emails, so we are pretty certain it is just not tracking.

larryn

4:54 am on Mar 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My experience with session cookies is that they are unaffected by AOL's (or anyone else's) bank of proxy servers. More specifically, when we issue a session based cookie for the initial request (using Apache's mod_user) that cookie's value does not change for additional request, even if the IP is different.

The only problem you should have is if someone has cookies disabled, with I've found to be an infinitesimal number of users.

cgrantski

8:47 pm on Mar 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This isn't the ASPSESSIONID cookie by any chance?

plumsauce

6:58 am on Mar 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You would be really smart to try the entire AOL experience from end to end as a customer by signing up for one of their free trials. You never know if there is something in the client that is causing them to abandon the cart.

Congrats on the sales though :)