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Shrinking JPG files

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rencke

9:43 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Paint Shop Pro is my trusted graphics companion. Problem is, that it will not show what the output is going to look like when you set the file size reduction option for jpg-files. So I am using the online tool, at www.chami.com which gives me a number of choices to pick from. I like it, but it takes quite a while on a 56k modem, plus I have to keep the original on the server. Is there any software that does the same thing available? A plug in for Paint Shop Pro would be great, but a standalone is ok too.

oilman

9:48 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hey Jan - have a look at [url=http://www.ulead.com/ssp/runme.htm]Ulead Smart Saver[/url].

Great little program - does transparencies and builds mouseover code for you as well as slicing.

I there is a bunch of others out there. I'm looking forward to what else pops up in here.

mivox

10:52 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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BoxTop Software has a fairly inexpensive plug-in called (I think...) ProJPEG. It shows previews of it's results before saving, and does a pretty good job.

tedster

11:48 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I've used BoxTop -- it's good. Also, [url=http://www.spinwave.com/]Spinwave[/url] has both a plug-in (HVS JPG) and a stand alone desktop utility (JPEG Cruncher).

I use the plug-in, and love it.

austtr

12:57 am on Feb 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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rencke.....

My graphic tool of choice is also Paintshop Pro (an older version). My designs are generally pretty simple (I am no graphic artist!)

I needed to crunch image files (gif and jpg) for minimum size without destroying clarity as well as a preview of their presentation on the html page.

I ended up with "WebGraphics Optimizer Graphics Compression Wizard" from Plenio.

It does the job I need and the crunched file it shows me always seems to look the same on the html page.

rencke

3:35 pm on Feb 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Thank you all. This new forum seems to be the right place to go with questions about graphics, that's for sure. Now I am confused at almost expert level. All that remains is to download and try out your suggestions. See ya' next year!

mivox

7:48 pm on Feb 8, 2001 (gmt 0)

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> Now I am confused at almost expert level.

LOL! Isn't constant confusion one of the hallmarks of internet work? Between graphics, promotion and cross browser/cross platform "issues," I've learned to enjoy confusion.

jk321

7:27 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)



Tedster
"I've used BoxTop -- it's good. Also, Spinwave has both a plug-in (HVS JPG) and a stand alone desktop utility (JPEG Cruncher). I use the plug-in, and love it."

Do you consider HVS JPG the best at crunching jpg's? That's what I'm using now, but I'm always on the lookout for something better.

tedster

7:58 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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At this point, I think that the "Save for the Web" (SFTW) option in Photoshop 5.5 and 6.0 is perhaps the all around best choice.

I still like the HVS plug-in's control for fine tuning the compression, and I still use it in some tough cases. But Adobe has come up with some really fine automated algorithms and I often get better results right out of Photoshop. It's amazing how well SFTW can limit artifacts around any sharp edges in the image.

I'll tell you how much I like SFTW, I've begun redoing images on a page I maintain for a professional phographer. I remember well how I struggled to maintain the appearnce of his work and still get respectable file sizes. With SFTW in Photoshop, I am routinely chopping another 30% off his files with no obvious degrading of the images.

tedster

8:23 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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This is a good place to mention a Photoshop trick for JPG compression.

The last step I take before saving a JPG is taking the image into L*a*b color space. This space separates all the black-to-white Lightness detail into one channel (L). The other two channels have color information, (a) is green-to-red and (b) is blue-to-yellow.

Then I run a Gaussian blur on the two color channels, but not on the (L) channel. I can often run a very large blur (2 to 3 pixels) with little or no visible effect, because the fine detail is in the black-to-white channel, not the color ones. If there is a sharp red/green or blue/yellow edge, I just exclude 3 pixels or so around that edge before the blur.

When I return to RGB space, the JPG compression can reduce the file size even further because of this blurring.

jk321

10:17 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)



"It's amazing how well SFTW can limit artifacts around any sharp edges in the image."

Bingo! the exact problem I'm trying to solve. Thanks much.

jk321

mivox

10:31 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>The last step I take before saving a JPG is taking the image into L*a*b color space.

Very nice! How long did you use PS before you figured that one out? (Or did you cheat, and RTFM or something?) I've been using it since v2.0.1, and I still hadn't figured out any good reason for using LAB color space....

tedster

12:17 am on Mar 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I started fooling around in L*a*b about 1997 or so, after I read articles in both Adobe magazine and PEI magazine.

A couple of other good uses for L*a*b:

1) Creating a black & white image. The isolated L channel is often a better choice, or at least a better starting place, than a conversion to grayscale or a 100% desaturation.

2) Sharpening sometimes works best in L*a*b, using just the L channel. In fact, sometimes all an image needs is not sharpening but more contrast in the L channel, or a Curves adjustment there. That way you get a sharper appearance without adding sharpening halos.

These L*a*b techniques can bring out subtle gradations of color that you just can't enhance in RGB, because you are working directly with the Luminance.

L*a*b is certainly under utilized, but it is the native Photoshop color space, and the space utilized by KODAK photodiscs, so it won't be going away anytime soon. If you have an image with a color cast, this can also be an easy place to fix that.

mivox

3:16 am on Mar 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Wow... fantastic. Sharpening halos are one of my biggest pains in the @ss. But I've gotten very good at editing them out. ;)