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Fourth Weather Report: Official Yahoo! Update

Y! weather report says it'll be mild and quick compared to recent ones

     
5:08 am on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From Yahoo Search Blog: "We will be making changes to the ranking of our index tonight. I would expect that this update will be mild and quick compared to recent ones but will impact the ranking of some sites."

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Already seeing some of the algo changes in the SERP's. Does it seem that Yahoo is progressively getting worse results or better for you all? In the areas that I watch some of the results are extremely interesting. Nothing to do with the search topic and yet Top 10 listings. My sites are in top 10 but I'm kinda shocked with some of the other sites around mine.
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I think the big issue with Yahoo is how long it is taking for new pages on relatively new sites to be indexed. I'm not talking about affiliate type pages but really well linked (from government and trade bodies) sites that we work on.

The order in which we see updates has now changed from MSN, Yahoo, Google to MSN, Google, Yahoo. I'm sick of having to make excuses for Yahoo. Get it sorted (and your domain issues)

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Hey, somebody noticing that cache link is removed in Yahoo search result.
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So was the update yesterday, Nov. 1?

Or Today Nov. 2?

When will it spread all over the databases?

Thank you.

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Does it seem that Yahoo is progressively getting worse results or better for you all? In the areas that I watch some of the results are extremely interesting. Nothing to do with the search topic and yet Top 10 listings.

Yes, could not agree more. Am seeing an increase in irrelevant sites and basic spam techniques are succeeding.

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Well, the good news is that they were having trouble picking the best page from a site for a given search (often filtering out the most relavant choice, presumably because of filter knobs turned too ar) and that seems well on the road to being addressed. Nice job Y!

It's still the case that homepages are showing better than more relavant subpages in some cases, but that's not the end of the world.

It does seem that backlinks are playing an ever more important role in Y's algo. That's not unexpected. But as a result, their SERP's look more like G's than I've seen in a while (though happily, far less contorted).

Still, I sorta liked the differences between the two. With Yahoo moving away from the importance of onpage factors and towards the importance of backlinks, I lack the choice as a searcher that I once had when wanting to just find pages that sync up nicely with literal searches. That's still often the best way to find things, if you're good at constructing longer tail search queries, as many of the mor sophisticated and younger searchers are...

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The downside toward moving to more link weighting is you may get irrelevant .gov results. That's exactly what I'm seeing for a serp I've had my eye on as a baromter of this, and it's become worse.

For another search, I'm seeing almost random results. Big sites like Adobe are in there, which is fine. But I also see a random site that is in there apparently because it might have a lot of .edu backlinks. It has 52k backlinks compared to over a million (honest) backlinks from a more relevant website that is at the bottom of the page for this Yahoo serp.

It's definitely not number of backlinks at work here. And not anchor text analysis either. It looks like a knob twisted to favor certain link neighborhoods, and in certain searches there is a concentration on quality that is overvaluing .edu and .gov backlinks, or the link neighborhoods in general.

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I totally agree that .edu/sites in that neighborhood got a big nod this round. 6 of the top 10 results in an area of mine are .edu or similar. While they are mostly relevant results, 2 of the 6 are obviously poor choices.
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Algo updated sure but page counts aside, I don't think they have actually update the dataset yet. (or at least so it seems from Toronto)
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Whens the last time someone saw a deep craw from Y!?
10:01 pm on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not so mild for us.
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their SERP's look more like G's than I've seen in a while

In some of the areas I check, the results on Yahoo are getting more and more identical to Google's results for the same search terms.

They better watch out, Google has a lot of factors that are in their algo (and a lot of stuff that isn't in there and probably never will be) patented. :)

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I see no relation to Google serps (especially after Jagger) nor do I really see any changes (yet) in my sector.
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It's still the case that homepages are showing better than more relavant subpages in some cases, but that's not the end of the world.

And the other way around too.

I'm not complaining because I've ended up with 2 relevant lower level page listings on many serps, but the index pages for those sections of my site would be a better choice.

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In the UK no changes what so ever i can see

Results still as poor as they were before. They had more relevent results a couple of updates back, of more recent times i have no idea what they base their results on other than:-

Short keyword title, keyword Description, keyword domain name/keyword = number 1 position

Mind you, who cares?

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Ok I got killed in Y , all of my pages are gone except index and index went from 12th out of 90 million to god only knows where .

Last month I did a 301 redirect .htacess from www.to non to satisfy G ...so I get a little more traffic fromG but basically lost all traffic to Y ..

NOT HAPPY

Fortnently my traffic comes from all 3 engines

So could the 301 redirct have caused this to happen? nothing blackhat at all about the site .

I do very few reciprocal links less than 10 and have a few thousand mostly quality links

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"I know it should help ..just nervous about screwing around with something with so many links and fairly decent rankings anyways .. "

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So what do I do ..remove the 301
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Not a very "mild" update for my site. I experienced a 50% drop in traffic from yahoo today alone. Time will tell if it gets any better.
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Hey Nolimits...

I'm seeing some great improvements on some listings but for the last couple months have seen no deep crawls. Really weird. I have been thinking for a couple months, what happened to the Yahoooo! spiders.

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Yikes, this spam tastes old.
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It does seem that backlinks are playing an ever more important role in Y's algo.

It seems to be site wide backlinks that have nothing to do with the keywords.

For one topic the official site and ours are the only websites dedicated to the topic. The official site has a lot of on topic backlinks and we have a lot of optimized content.

A ton of large sites and forums have a single page of limited content on this topic.

They fill up the 1st 3 pages in Yahoo but not Google.

I think this has been happening on our other sites but it is obvious on this one because of the limited number of authority sites.

Andy

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Ahhhh Yahooo Yahooo Yahooo , always the same problem.

You now have to pay your inclusion into their directory. Once you are their you pop up on top at any query.

Let's not call that a search engine anymore would you?

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Why is Yahoo definition of an update always to drop pages. (IMO)
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on most competative terms i do not see much of a change
/BP
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> on most competative terms i do not see much of a change
> /BP

Me too...!

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Does it seem that Yahoo is progressively getting worse results or better for you all?

No, better, incalculably more so than Gs and MSN's.

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Does it seem that Yahoo is progressively getting worse results or better for you all?

if things are settled (which i doubt) then some of the serps (comp/non comp/edu) i keep an eye on seem to be getting worse IMO

i was starting to use Y! more recently than G to find some info, IMO for some areas MSN are returning more relevant results

not easy to please everyone i guess!

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Finaly #1!
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