How can a site get a PR > 6 wihtout reciprocal links

[CJ]

If a site is properly themed, goes by good SEO rules, has only links coming in from the big directories, and specific industry related directories, and is about 1500 pages, would reciprocal links be neccessary to get the sites rank value, for example PR above 6 ?

[brotherhood of LAN]

Im not the most experienced webmaster but here, but the linking structure of your site does play a large part in it

Each page on your site passes on its page rank in an equal amount to all the pages it links to....

My site is relatively new, and only contains about 100 pages. It has around 2 dozen links pointing to it though has a PR of 6

I cant remember the URL but if you search google for - www.searchengineworld.com theme pyramids - you should get the correct link

It is possible to get good ranking without reciprocal links, though there are always plenty opportunities out there to get links without having to provide one back

hope this helps
Richard

[Macguru]

>>has only links coming in from the big directories

What is PR of actual pages of big directories linking to your site?
How many internal links are showing in Google's index?
Did you try the vortals and trade directories option?

I heard here of sites getting PR 0 for overdoing the internal linking stuff.

[CJ]

Mac,

The site carries a PR of 5, and the rest of the pages 4, but it is 162 pages, at the moment and i am currently theming it out, one kphrase per page, which at current estimates would take it way above 1500+ pages.

The ODP and yahoo listings are of low value, however things are changing towards these listings where, i should be able to get the listings up a few subs in both, and possibly go for 4 listings in yahoo, to cover the major canons of the site, as well as additional listings in LS.com. and ink.

It's more the reciprocal linking itself to other companies sites, i was more interested in the page amount threshold, that may or may not exist for Google, and the other crawlers, to take the site as is becuase of its worth to the keyterms that it targets, rather than its linking to related sites.

[ciml]

If you want PR6 then you can get it from (roughly) one link from a PR7 page, (roughly) ten links from PR6 pages, (roughly) one hundred links from PR5 pages. etc. "Roughly", because there's a big difference between the PR of pages with the same Toolbar PR bar, and because the number of links on those pages dilutes the PR given to you by the links. Looking at the dmoz.org categories that are linked from the home page (with PR8), the category description (a super place to analyse PageRank) for a category with 43 links gets PR7, while one for a category with 106 links gets PR6.

As far as I can tell, Google doesn't really do what we call 'themes' (yet). However, a themed approach can work very well in Google, and Brett's "Search Engine Theme Pryamids" article describes a good way to make a site work in Google as elsewhere.

You want the links from the highest PR pages that link to you to use the target words in their link text. Match this to your TITLE and BODY text and you can do well in Google. Text _near_ the link should help too, but I've not tested that.

Your linking structure makes a big difference to those of your pages without significant external links (eg. linking from the home page to a sub page), but it doesn't make as much difference when you link to a page with greater links (eg. linking back to the home page where only the home page has good external links).

Calum