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webgeneral

10:58 am on Sep 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I've seen the following search engine guide "Search Engine Optimization Strategies: A Marketer's Perspective", co-authored by Danny Sullivan does anyone know if its any good, before I take the plunge and purchase?

agerhart

2:00 pm on Sep 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how good the actual material is, but Danny is an expert in the field, and well respected in the industry.

Brett_Tabke

9:40 am on Sep 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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What's the url - I can't find it anywhere. Who is the other author?

Robert Charlton

4:58 pm on Sep 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I don't see the book at the page you link to....

Brett_Tabke

5:12 pm on Sep 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Me neither. I don't get it.

Brett_Tabke

5:22 pm on Sep 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Oh my - I am in the wrong biz.

Robert Charlton

1:44 am on Sep 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

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The following came as an advertisement in a NewMedia email today. It's the same book, I think... "just $295"... and from the description it doesn't really seem to be about optimizing techniques. It looks to be directed more to marketers and people who might be hiring SEOs or using paid submission...

*Critical Search Engine Optimization Research Just Released!*
Written by renown[ed] experts Danny Sullivan and Chris Sherman, this report based on a survey of over 400 Web marketers will help you better understand how businesses are making use of paid participation and search engine optimization services to drive traffic to their Web sites. Order today - just $295!

Laisha

7:31 pm on Sep 29, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Wow! A new record. *lol*

As a general rule, I wouldn't buy a book about anything to do with the internet, let alone SEs and directories, due to the constantly changing landscape.

Though, I am now considering publishing one. *rofl*

rcjordan

8:03 pm on Sep 29, 2001 (gmt 0)

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> I am now considering publishing one.

Heh, heh...

You've got to hand it to Danny, he's figured out a way to charge $295 for his business card.

jeremy goodrich

3:37 pm on Oct 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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He, he. So everyone wants to be a publisher, after drooling over that price tag? Hmm...I'm thinking in the next month, there will be a sudden deluge of seach engine optimization ebooks all written by world reknowned experts.

You've got to hand it to Danny, he's figured out a way to charge $295 for his business card.

That is one perceptive way to look at it. After reading that the book was based on surveys of more than four hundred web marketers, I have to wonder: does this prove something? hm...

For a while, at my first two jobs in the industry, I kept track of a lot of SEO activity, firms, techniques, etc. Now, I just read here. The other was fun, but all too often, a waste of time. I guess maybe could put together my old notes, and say "secrets gleaned from XXXX number of SEO firms...by the ebook today!"

(on topic) Worth the cost? Could be, it would take a while to talk to that many people, I guess...

caine

3:53 pm on Oct 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I can across the book a while ago with many others, but not until i found this place did i find an up-to-the-minute resource of information, concerned purely with the topics in hand, hence i don't go anywhere else, except when i'm hunting for non WMW concerned info.

legster

3:42 pm on Oct 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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That price is ridiculous!

I am sure that any information that is in that book, is also here on this board for free and more up to date.

skibum

11:20 pm on Oct 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Sometimes it's nice to have a concise collection of print SEO info, especially when starting out. $295 is a bit steep and that publication is probably going to be about SEO as opposed to actually doing it.

Marckini has the newest book on the market that is geared more towards how to do optimization. It has a good section on YAHOO! but was written before the latest change. You'll find all the info in more current form here for YAHOO! and just about anything else.

If you want to read about the history of web search and details of each engine Marckini's book devotes hundreds of pages to that.

skibum

3:07 am on Oct 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

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A great summary of plain ol' good common sense and search engine positioning can be found here. [sofer.com] I can't remeber seeing a more clear concise summary of the SEO process and how it fits into the complete online marketing and business process anywhere.

tigger

8:41 am on Oct 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Why buy a book when you can get it for free!

ebgreen

1:24 am on Oct 22, 2001 (gmt 0)



I haven't read the book, but if it is very specific about SEO and realizing how much Danny Sullivan knows it could be well worth the cost. My business is very competitve, but the profit on my products are only $5-$7 dollars. Try to find a reliable SEO company for a small business that costs less than $295.00. Planet Ocean STARTS AT $12,000.00 and FantomMaster.com STARTS AT $18,000.00. I would like to find a company that does not charge an arm and a leg for SEO or increaseing link popularity. There are no companies on the web that target small businness' that I can find. Where can I find Marckini's book and does it mainly target Yahoo? I am interested in targeting AOL, MSN, and GOOGLE.

A few more things. Does anyone have a chart that specifies how much 'body text' each search engine likes? Are there any new search engines that I should be submitting to? Lastly, does anyone have anthying to say about the submission software ComandoPro?

Sorry for all the questions. Any asitance would be appreciated.

skibum

6:12 am on Oct 29, 2001 (gmt 0)

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You can find Marckini's book on Amazon. Just do a search for the name or search engine positioning. They also sell an intro type guide on their company site.

You will find more information here than in any book. The advantage of a book is that it can provide a clear, concise, sometimes step by step process for handling the basics. In a nutshell -

Keywords in:

The title tag

The description tag

The URL (if possible)

As early in the page as posible - in the first 25 words of the page

In the last 25 words on the page

Sprinkled a couple times in the middle of the page

Keyword text links pointing to the page which reflect the most important keyword of phrase on the page.

That along with building link popularity, how to submit to directories, and reducing the amount of code on a page is what most of the books say in up to 500 pages.

Good SEO firms tend to be expensive because it takes a significant amount of work, not just to get rankings, but to maintain the (client) company image while doing the promotion, adjust and re-work content on the site if the actual site will be optimized, and maybe even create new content.

In addition, just interfacing with a client takes a large amount of time that the company will bill for. Wanna know how you are doing or anlaysis of your traffic logs, want the SEO firm to keep your listings there and change as the landscape changes, it costs money.

The "maintenance" part of an SEO program is often the money maker for the SEO firm and doesn't take any work - if they are helping you optimize your actual site. If on the other hand it involves cloaking or some fancy doorway page network, the "maintenance" part of it may involve dodging hurdles dished out by the enignes for spam activities. The SEO firm controls all of this, so once they stop getting a check, the SE traffic vanishes instantly.

One major firm, last I knew charged a 120k/year min, would sign the contract, do the work, create hundreds of doorway pages most of the time. The research and set-up would take about 3 months. The rest of the year was just reporting for the most part, unless a big change came about like Google replacing Ink on YAHOO! web pages.

ebgreen

3:53 pm on Oct 29, 2001 (gmt 0)



thanks for the information. i can't seem to find any specific up to date information on each of the searcgh engines.