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Auto updating bids more than 24 times a day

Is there a software package that does this?

         

eWhisper

3:44 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Overture sets a limit of 3rd party bidding software making 48 queries and 24 bid changes a day.

However, we seem to have a competitor who has managed to get around this rule. They aren't a large company that has hired outside people to do their PPC work, all their PPC stuff is run by the company owner, and they don't have any 24 hour staff. Although, the owner has been known to hire programmers to make some very unique pieces of software.

They have also had many accounts discontinued by Overture (5 in the past 2 months) because of violating the TOS and bidding on the same keywords with multiple accounts.

They change their bids within 15 minutes of any bid changes we make. I had some 24 hr support staff keep Overture open and make a bid change every 5 minutes yesterday for 24 hours straight.

Our competition made 156 bid changes yesterday - all within 15 minutes of our change, and most within 5 minutes.

The only way this would not violate Overture's TOS is if a person was making manual changes, which I know they aren't using.

The only way I can see getting around this is if a specific program was written where Overture thought someone was manually making changes and hitting the update bid button.

I don't know much about programming, but is this possible? A program that runs inside the browser, and can read the bids, and make bid gap and position change changes automatically? The bidding rules are pretty specific for their changes, and seems to have all the features you'd find in GoToast bid management.

Or any other ideas how someone would manage this without having someone sit there 24 hours a day?

eWhisper

3:05 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's really starting to get annoying, has continued with updates around the clock for almost two weeks now...no ideas anyone?

webdiversity

12:01 am on Dec 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can get notifications via e-mail on some bid monitoring software, of changes that have been made and then someone updates the bids manually. This means that the changes can be done as many times as necessary, but you will not get round the auto bid rules of approved software.

What some advertisers might do is to use their 48 enquiries only between say 9-5, so in theory you could have 48 enquiries in 8 hours, or 6 an hour (once every 10 minutes).

anallawalla

11:51 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A program that runs inside the browser, and can read the bids, and make bid gap and position change changes automatically? The bidding rules are pretty specific for their changes, and seems to have all the features you'd find in GoToast bid management.

Sure but not necessarily inside a browser. A custom program could do that, but it would need certain "features" to prevent being flagged as a suspicious user. It would need manual intervention to log in. Don't leave it running all day and night.

It might be cheaper and legit to take the concept offshore and pay humans to do it. The biggest risk in using a program is during the test phase.

In GoToast I once had a 48x account but it was severe overkill (and expensive). In my boring niche, twice a day seems fine for now.

eWhisper

11:56 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I find for 99% of my KWs, that 2-6 auto updates a day is just fine and I really don't need to pay that close attention to the words - there are a few that are very cutthroat, but GT generally does the job once you time out everyones updates and set it accordingly.

Although, interesting enough, the people who were doing this updating every 15 minutes suddenly either don't have accounts any longer, or are only updating ever 12 hours now - wonder if they got caught...