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Weird new supplemental results

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quixote

4:48 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One of my sites was clobbered by BigDaddy and I just noticed something new maybe someone here can explain.

If I do a site:www.mydomain.com search on the Goog I get nothing but supplemental results until I hit the "show ommitted results link". From here, I get the same supplemental results, but after that my regular, non-supplimental pages appear!

A little background: most of my supplimental results are either orphaned or are dynamic links generated by my "force into frames" jscript code and should be supplemental as they are not the proper link to the page.

My question is why is Googlepuss putting the GOOD results from my site: query at the BOTTOM?

Is it part of the site: bug, a symptom of flux, a sign of improvement (since BigDaddy I'd been getting very few non-supp results)? Thoughts? Theories?

daveVk

6:40 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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All of these theorys sound plausable, how does site: results compare to inurl: results or even site: with trailing '/' as in site:www.example.com/

Do the 'show extra' entries all show same snippet as some prior result(s)?

quixote

3:23 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for your suggestions, they turned up some bizarre results:

A search for site:www.example.com/ with the trailing slash brings up all my good, non-supp pages and there's not even a link to omitted results or any supps in the list. Only about 1/3 of my sites pages seem to be indexed here though.

inurl:www.example.com pulls up a couple of non-supp pages and then a "more results from" link, followed by an inbound link and an "omitted results" link. "More Results" pulls up a list similar to site: with the trailing slash. So does "Omitted Results" but with that external site in the mix for a few pages. If I add a trailing slash, I get the same results as without.

Additionally, a search for http://www.example.com/page_I_just_saw_in_site_search_with_slash.html gives me "sorry, no info" with a link.

Right now, our site's index page gets top rank for our company name, but any internal pages begin at #10 where they used to be #2. It's been like this since BigDaddy. We're lucky (ha) if we get 6 refs from the Goog per day although we're content rich, been around for years, blah blah blah.

Anyone gleen what's happening or how I can find out? Is it a good/bad idea to contact Google directly? My zen-like patience is wearing thin as an old monk's tunic.

g1smd

9:04 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Google site: search does not show any Supplemental Results when you do a site:domain.com/ search, but will shown them when you omit the trailing / on the query.

Vanessa Fox posted about this on the Google Sitemaps blog only a few days ago. It is a known bug in the new system. Another part of the same bug affects hyphenated domains, they too are not showing up properly.

daveVk

3:21 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The bottom line is that 2/3 of your pages are either in the Supplemental index or not indexed at all. Check out other threads, you are not alone. Check pages in inurl: search not from your site, are they spamming you?.

quixote

2:50 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks to both of you. I will read Vanessa's blog and see what I can learn.

I did a search for inurl: and the only links outside of my domain are a database we are listed in and it's their pages listing articles by our authors. The rest of my links are non-supp (today).

Just noticed this morning that our domain is showing up like it used to for a search on our domain name and some keyword & unique phrase searches are pulling up supp's and non-supp's. There's still some junk listings though and rankings are in the gutter, but maybe it's a sign of Google fixing things.

daveVk, are you saying my pages not being indexed right now may be part of the Big Daddy problems or should I work on getting them re-indexed myself?

daveVk

4:50 am on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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quixote: If you have not changed your site much in recent times it probably is due to Big Daddy, be it a bug or the new world order I dont know. It seems to me that pages below some page rank ( or other criteria ) are not making it to the main index despite being visited by googlebot. The good days of full indexing ended some years ago for our site, recent changes have been for the worse.

quixote

3:15 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I guess my main question is why Google would show my supplemental results before showing non-supps? It seems like the "good" results would naturally be listed before the bad ones. This always happens when I click "more results from (domain)".

The site in question is a PR4 for the index page (frameset), and the main homepage is a PR5. We get crawled almost every day by Googlebot. (shrugs)

Steph_R

3:18 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"show ommitted results link" means that Google considers those pages to be duplicates. Re-write the pages seen as duplicates and that should do the trick.

quixote

5:20 pm on Jun 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

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But wouldn't Google make my duplicates the supplemental results? Why would it punish the original page? Plus most of the supp's are either orphaned or deleted pages.

A few of the supps are also incorrect links to pages caused by my framebuster script, which makes a link like this:

http://www.example.com/index.html?page.html

which is actually the exact same page as

http://www.example.com/page.html, just loaded into my frameset.

Why would Goog prefer http://www.example.com/index.html?page.html to http://www.example.com/page.html, which is obviously a natural link? The way Google indexes the bogus links seem to indicate they know it's not the "real" link. Link link link! (sorry had to say 'link' a few more times there).

Am I in the penalty box? Anyone got a similar story?