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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-03-28

     
10:14 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

In other BD indexes (like [66.249.93.104...] etc) I now see that some old Supplemental Results for pages and sites that no longer exist are disappearing from the search results.

I have waited years for this moment. We already had several false starts on this over the last few months. The pages were dropped, and then reappeared a day or two later.

Be gone for good this time!

[edited by: tedster at 5:27 am (utc) on Mar. 28, 2006]
[edit reason] split thread to create a new one [/edit]

1:20 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd - You're sounding like your casting out those evil inhibiters that suppressed your good work for years :)

I'll join you - but seriously we're seeing huge volatility - results being indexed, then not, cached pages in , cached pages out the next minute

-btw- I'd like to join you on the optimisitc side - but am still "holding my horses".

The sorts of fluctuations are from 1 site 190,000 indexed, then into supps, then out.

Another site that was hit with a robots.txt 180 day suppression [ we were hacked ] and then had 301 redirects from old to new, followed by gone supplemental [ bar home page ] - is showing life - but again flying around like a YoYo.

...but at least there's life.

How long does Google expect this extreme volatility to continue across the DC's?

2:46 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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definitely somethings happening

- we're into the results again and out, supps on , supps off , 100k pages then 20k, then back again.

Position No 90 then not [ we should be no 1 ]

Unique text recognised then not

It's like an embryo taking shape - I'm just waiting for the regular heartbeat which I hear is a couple of weeks away.

Matt [ Cutts ] - If you're out there i can sense some life!

2:59 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That DC 64.233.185.104 only has 134 of my 209 pages indexed where all other DC's have indexed them all. I think this may be the DC to keep an eye on because I have a hunch (just a hunch mind you) that this is the one which is displaying all the reindexed pages.

One can hope! :)

4:57 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow

We just went to about 230 pages that are now out of supplemental and for the first time in a long time I see fresh tags! Most of the pages out of supplemental hell have fresh tags of yesterday.

I haven't checked all the datacenters but where I saw this was on 72.14.203.104 which happened to be my default google at the time.

This morning we had about 90 pages out of supplemental (but no fresh tags).

5:30 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The real sad part is because mozillabot hit us so hard and fast yesterday that we would have had 106 more pages go live except they got 503'd.

But hey they are indexed with fresh tags.

GRRRR, hate to see all those 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable pages that could have been live as well.

6:06 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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503 from the mozillabot? I mean, it is fast, but lite on the CPU. Like a knife through warm butter on my servers.

You really have problems if the mozillabot is doing that to you.

6:29 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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How many pages a second should it be able to handle?
6:57 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well it is pulling 10+ pages a second right now on my main site and it is not even touching the server load one bit.

I really see no need to throttle or restrict this bot at all.

Open the doors up and let it have a party, you will never regret it. :)

8:32 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Enjoying the calm quietness before the storm

Hi Folks

Now that BigDaddy has rolled out and all seem relatively quite on the DCs, I guess we just have to wait and see what kind of surprises the friends at the plex will deploy on the new infrastructure :-)

Matt told us in advance to expect PR/Backlinks update. He mentioned that improvements in canonical and supplementals issues are to be expected down the road. However, no mention was made of a possible algo update!

Sit back , relax and fetch your Cappuccino. The coming days and weeks would be for sure busy times for Google Datacenters Watchers :-)

Wish you all a great day.

8:37 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Reseller.

Where/When did Matt say anything about improvements in supplemental issues?

Cheers

8:46 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo

He said it on his blog, my friend. In addition to his recommendation to: Kiss the person standing next to you. :-)

======================
#
Matt Cutts Said,

March 19, 2006 @ 11:38 pm

Adam, it must be a joke/setup. I’m all for easter eggs, but not for hidden text. :)

Harith, I can’t promise what we’ll do in the future, but things like a PR update seem doable after Bigdaddy is done. And all of the things you mentioned are things that I would like us to tackle down the road.
==============================

in reply to these questions:

================
#
Harith Said,

March 19, 2006 @ 10:13 pm

Good morning Matt

I see BigDaddy roll out very fast and there are only few non-BigDaddy DCs left . What should we expect to see after BigDaddy is deployed on all the DCs?

- PR/Back link update?

- Algos update?

- both?

- attempt to resolving canonical issues?

- attempt to resolving supplemental issues?

I wish you a great day and a successful week.

=================

[mattcutts.com...]

8:52 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hmmz - Ok - you can sort of have that.

Enough refreshing of MC blog for answers to those questions - passed his late late posting times now.

Cant wait for the answer to that <RK> one which it looks like he might tackle.

10:38 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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IMHO:

This is the worst Google Update ever. Jagger, Allegra or all the others during the last few years have been nothing to what is happening since MONTHS. In fact - I do not know anybody that has profited from this mess. Except some spammers.

Not one single BigDaddy DC is holding a correct amount of data for the sites I do know. And the bots are loading data like nuts.

BigDaddy is definitely the wrong name for that - sorry, but I would call it:

BigMess
BigUncompleted
BigUnable
BigUnusable

or my personal favourite:

BIG BIMBO

Thanks

itloc

10:55 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hello all friends!

I would ask you a thing.......what does it mean "Matt told us in advance to expect PR/Backlinks update"?

It mean that big daddy will also update site page rank and all inbound and outbound links?

Thank you!

12:35 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Man some fierce fluxing going on across all datacenters, but not for the best. SERPs have just gotten a whole lot worse. Something is definitely going to happen imminently.
{{rubs hands in anticipation of spammers being blasted from SERPs}}

:)

12:57 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi anna123

"It mean that big daddy will also update site page rank and all inbound and outbound links?"

It means after BigDaddy (new infrastructure) is rolled out, we might expect an update of PageRank values as well as update of Backlinks/inbound links (links from sites outside of your site) reported by Google link: command .

[edited by: reseller at 1:05 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2006]

12:59 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>Man some fierce fluxing going on across all datacenters

I'm seeing this too. For one of my test terms, I'm ranking 3, 7, and 12, depending on the DC.

1:10 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow ... seeing a lot of irrelevant stuff just now on my normal DC. In fact the first result for an important keyword combination is a supplemental result. LOL. I think I will take the day off and get some chores done. Obviously, I won't need to be sitting by the phone all day or checking e:mail every ten minutes!

Its all good. My family arrives tomorrow and I can use the time to run some errands, clean, take a nap .... :)

2:45 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am noticing several pages with more recent cache dates and also seeing something strange...

looking at the newer cache pages I see html code showing on several cache pages on several different domains, also the keyword highlighting is highlighting the wrong words, and also snippets of words.

example: highlight shown by [ ]

We have several [keyword] products availa[ble. Ca]ll if you have any questions.

notice for keyword, it is highlighting "ble. Ca"

is anyone else seeing this?

3:04 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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my3cents: Yes, I see that also, but only when I use that new java script document open... layout.
4:16 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have seen something right now - and I still can't believe it. One of my old sites has been closed and redirected to a new domain with a proper 301 since November 2004.

Guess what - it's back in Google.com. All pages supplemental.

itloc

5:27 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see 64.233.85.104 has gone back on the supplementals correction. site:domain.com search is showing all the supplementals again.

Even 64.233.87.104 has gone back. It had let in many sandboxed sites, but no more as of now.

10:04 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Even 64.233.87.104 has gone back. It had let in many sandboxed sites, but no more as of now.

If you mean 64.233.187.104 I still see newer sites high in SERPs.

10:21 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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petehall,
Yes. Now it is again showing them. "Here today, gone tomorrow" :-)
10:26 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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http://64.233.185.104/

Hi Folks

Just wish to post Matt's reply (on his blog - today) to g1smd :

--------------------------
Q: “This datacentre [64.233.185.104...] works differently to all of the others. Noticed just a few hours ago. . . . . Where does that DC fit into the scheme of things? Is it mainly made from newly spidered data?”
A: Sharp eyes, g1smd. That wouldn’t surprise me. As Bigdaddy cools down, that frees us up to do new/other things.
---------------

Very interesting indeed!

And to all cat lovers Google Datacenters Watchers, here is an interesting thing about "Emmy" (Matt's cat - around 2 years old and very dynamic) :-)

--------------------
Q: “Do you take Emmy with you to San Francisco?”
A: Nope, Emmy is a true indoors cat; she doesn’t like to travel.
-----------------------

[mattcutts.com...]

11:01 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why do people read so much into things that simply aren't there? All Matt says is "that wouldn't surprise me". That is not the same as saying, "ah, yes, what we are doing is the following..."

It's this same wishful-thinking inventiveness that has led many to believe that Google are trying to fix the BD problem, when they patently are not.

11:16 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ClintFC

>>Why do people read so much into things that simply aren't there? All Matt says is "that wouldn't surprise me". That is not the same as saying, "ah, yes, what we are doing is the following..."<<

Both GoogleGuy and Matt use the 2 expressions

- I wouldn't be surprised if

- that wouldn't surprise me

to say:

The matter in question shall take place, though I don't wish to mention exactly when or a specific time for that ;-)

11:43 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The matter in question shall take place, though I don't wish to mention exactly when or a specific time for that ;-)

and I can't be held responsible if what said doesn't happen, nor do I have the official clearance from the company to state that as a fact.

12:09 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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McMohan

"The matter in question shall take place, though I don't wish to mention exactly when or a specific time for that,
and I can't be held responsible if what said doesn't happen, nor do I have the official clearance from the company to state that as a fact. "

Amen.... :-)

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