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It seems nearly all the data centers are showing some form of bigdaddy results now. I am not sure if there is a 100% bigdaddy/not bigdaddy distinction anymore.
The only two DCs I see that are showing different results are 216.239.59.104 and 66.249.87.104 and those results seem to be from late December, early January, at least in the sectors I monitor.
[edited by: tedster at 5:31 am (utc) on Mar. 25, 2006]
Btw, today I saw a different Mozilla Googlebot IP addrss (66.249.65.1) very active crawling my site. From what I read in this forum, it takes 3 rounds (2 rounds by Mozilla and 1 round by normal Gbot) for the page to be in the serp. Is that true?
But at least the pages appear!
Makes me wonder if 301's are a wise move if you can find some other workaround.
@Matt
Thank you for your answer.
But my page has 50k Mozilla-Bot visits every day for weeks (!) - and still all is Supplemental except the main page!
I believe that this is not a crawling problem.
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Gary(Ellio)Said,
March 23, 2006 @ 10:23 am
Steve,
We have also been crawled every day for the last 2-3 weeks by Mozilla Googlebot but not a single page has returned yet.
Thats why its hard to believe its “just” a crawl problem.
Could there be a little more to it Matt?
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Matt Cutts Said,
March 24, 2006 @ 2:33 pm
Gary, Steve: we can still fetch those pages, it’s just that they don’t always make it live. I believe someone checked in another threshold yesterday based on the meeting that I had some with crawl/index folks. That will still take a while to go fully into effect (1-2 weeks was the estimate that I heard), but should help the remaining people who still saw some of this issue left over.
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Gary (Ellio) Said,
March 24, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
Matt,
Thanks for the continuing updates much appreciated.
Based on your reply I guess we need to sit tight for another 1-2 weeks to see if the latest “threshold tweak” has the desired result and allows the lost pages return with rank and position.
Please let me know if you hear more from the crawl/index folks in the meantime.
I am passing you comments on in the WPW and WebmasterWorld threads as there are still many effected parties eager for information.
Gary
99% of my site is missing from the BD indexes. What kind of threshold tweak could possibly put that right?
Looks like Google still aren't taking this seriously enough to look for the real cause of the problem.
I was following up on our communication to Google's index team and received an email saying that the "stillsupplemental" mailbox is no longer monitored.
The reply asked to communicate via Google's user support forum and "contact us" links on the various Google services
No doubt the index team has to be left alone to do their job, but gee, I think webmasters are feeling utterly isolated out here, unless you're one of the lucky few [ amongst the 100's maybe ] that received an acknowledgment and have seen an improvement - I'm not blaming anyone - just conveying our sense and situation out here.
Now there are three sences.
#1 I think my side is best of all but it isn´t and therefor google don´t rank me - lets not follow this further
#2 I get a lot of visitors a day from google. let say 1000. From this 100 visitors about 80% go on and deeper into my page. Lets say they visit even more then 10 pages beginning from the entrance page.
MOst of them will buy the thing they searched for and even more.
I would say they did a search at google and found what they searched for. - Good search results
#3 I get a lot of visitors a day from google. Lets say about 1000. Only 10% of them go deeper into my page. Not even 5 pages they do visit. Probably they will not buy anything.
I would say they did a search at google and didn´t find what they are looking for. - Maybe good search result but not for this keywords.
What has google to do in case #2:
Now this (my) page is in top position google has to determine if this side is spamy or keywordstuffed....
If its ok - the ranking is ok.
What has google to do in case #3:
google has to figure out why this side is probably ok but not for this keywords. Is it spamy or something else? The side has to be reranked.
Since Jagger I see this behaviour of google in a regular cycle to rank my side from case #2 over to case #3 and then it suddenly is completly gone. But only to come back for case #3 upgoing to case #2.
This cycle remains about 2-3 weeks. On Big Daddy the phenomenom is even strong as on non-BD.
If I´m able to see good results in case #2, why doesn´t google do? They have the ability to track the users behaviour by their toolbar. So they should see the same things?
If I´m able to see good results in case #2, why doesn´t google do? They have the ability to track the users behaviour by their toolbar. So they should see the same things?
well, that is what they want to do. analytics are just for that. they give cool numbers and nice graphs but most important feature is google know user's behaviour.
in fact, I find it cool.
dumb MFA sites shall disappear from the SERPs.
Non-BD(?)
66.102.9.99
66.102.7.99
66.102.11.104
64.233.183.104
64.233.167.147
We get figures of 9,200+ to 9,500.
However when we do the same function on www.google.co.uk then we get 940 returned.
The last time we saw this was approx 2 years ago.
This seems a bit odd, especially as it was exactly 940 2 years ago.
Hopefully.
Ok, any idea what happens next?
After seeing many pages turning supplemental and rankings drop considerably there's been very little fun to be had here!
"I think I'm turing supplemental, I think I'm turing supplemental, I really think so.."
My thoughts are still that the PR/BL caculation etc as done by Mozilla Googlebot is applied to the serp ranking.
I'm getting a lot of Mozilla Googlebot and Googlebot 2.1 activity starting last night.
I think all the DCs are still syncing up. I noticed at least two different sets of results and several different page counts. Perhaps another quick round of spidering to catch up a bit followed by a PR recalculation.
My guess is everything will be ready just in time for April Fools day.