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Big Daddy Part 5

   
5:43 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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continued from:
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Okay, quite a few people should see their pages coming
back. If you haven't seen any change (that is, if your pages are still supplemental), I'd like to look into that too so that I can see if there's any common factor remaining.

So: if your pages are still supplemental, feel free to write to sesnyc06 [at] gmail.com with the subject line of "stillsupplemental" (all one word), and I'll ask someone to check the emails out.

Hope that helps, and I'm glad that lots of people are seeing a full recovery,
GoogleGuy

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 5:20 pm (utc) on Mar. 22, 2006]

11:49 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Has there been any official word from the Google camp on the Big Daddy roll out? It seems to me that they are going live with a system that is not working properly (sorry for stating the obviuose).

Matt Cutts has said that Big daddy is not an update as such but a whole new infra structure paving the way for future improvements and that the effects should be bearly noticeable. As this thread shows, this is far from the case but they are still rolling out?

They must have something to say about it all. Before March Matt seemed to be giving quite good updates on the situation but now seems to be avoiding the subject.....or have I missed something.

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12:41 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well we have gone down the road of using the 301 on our sites to redirect the non www to the wwww due to this canonical issue mess.

I just hope, truely hope that google bot will go back to the pages it has trashed and re-index them. If not the site pages from an authority site that has top back links from gov and uni sites will be lost forever.

You would think after the number of years google have been in the business they would not have these basic canonical url issues. Even the likes of msn and gigablast can get this right?

12:47 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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as someone posted previously it does look in mnay cases that supplemental is a sign of penalty. I know this conflicts with the hopes of many but from my own examples they are more liekly to be a penalty than canonical issue.
1:14 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google states that supplementals contain pages that don't meet certain criteria to be in the main index. So, on that basis, it is a sort of penalty. However, Google goes on to say that being a supp. page does NOT affect PR of that page.

The issue is not the penalty status so much as whether these millions of pages that have gone supplemental, are deservedly so, or whether there is a glitch in the algo's that is causing them to go supplemental, whereas they should actually be listed in the main index.

1:31 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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GG has said this is a glitch, that is good enough for me. I am just waiting and waiting and waiting though for my pr7 site to return and watching hundreds of guys who scraped our content outrank us and take our old positions. Come on Google, my liver needs a break!
1:59 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hard to believe Google is considered to be the best in the world. Today 6,800 non-existant pages from 2/2004 showed back up in the index. Wow, that was unexpected.
3:13 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now up to 45 pages indexed before the supplemental section starts, a gain of about 20 pages since yesterday. This has given me hope. Only about 800 pages to go...
3:17 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Still see it flitting between BD and non BD results every time I look.
4:23 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i noticed that on my site where google has listed the whole domain a second time under:
%20www.domain.com
in supplemntals,
that if i bring up one of these pages in the serps then click MORE PAGES FROM THIS SITE....it gives me pages from lots of different domains and not connected to me at all.
4:46 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> "They must have something to say about it all. Before March Matt seemed to be giving quite good updates on the situation but now seems to be avoiding the subject.....or have I missed something. "

No Munster, you have hit the nail squarely on the head.

2:48 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I guess smaller size sites are coming back up. For bigger sites with over 1 million pages, I wonder how long will it takes... sigh... Where is google customer service? any 1800 numbers to call?..
6:33 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Something really cool is going on and I am loving it!

Regarding indexing and BD. It appears Google either BD really likes my website or they have changed the way they are indexing sites....almost appears as "real time indexing"

Example:

In the morning I will check how many pages I have indexed with google. Then I add a bit of content and a couple hours later I check again and Google has indexed more of my pages. Then same day I add more content and I check again in a couple hours and "WOW" google has index more of my pages. So on and so on etc.....my pages indexed are continually climbing on an hourly basis.

I have never seen this behavior before with google.

This has been going on for several days but today its going through the roof!

Is anybody else seeing these "real time" indexing affects?

6:42 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A serach for the home page of one of our sites in the index shows no results for www and non www results. A site:example.com search for the same site shows the home page first in the listing.

Go figure.

6:56 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In the morning I will check how many pages I have indexed with google. Then I add a bit of content and a couple hours later I check again and Google has indexed more of my pages. Then same day I add more content and I check again in a couple hours and "WOW" google has index more of my pages. So on and so on etc.....my pages indexed are continually climbing on an hourly basis.

You are saying this new content is being added to the index immediately? Or that just more and more older content is being added to the index throughout the day?

7:01 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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one of my forums is still supp, zero changes
7:01 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Both....added new content at 2:00am in the morning and by the time I woke up the content was indexed! Today the number of pages indexed is climbing hourly!
7:02 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Also just to make a note of something I have observed...

One of my sites was afflicted, another still is. The one that is fixed shows cache dates ranging from March 12 to March 17th 2006 on all my pages. So give it some time...i am for my other site.

What I saw during this period...was heavy..i mean heavy indexing of my site. It also shows that they are adding pages pretty quickly if I see Mar 17th cache.

As I have said all along, my guess for those who are afflicted with this bug, that for whatever reason all of our newer content was dropped altogether from the index. Anything left over was in the supplemental index. These supp serps were prob alrady there or slated to be there but were not seen because of all our current content. Once our current content was dropped, we were left with the crap index.

Once google reindexed my site..i was back in. So if you see heavy indexing..give it some time and you will prob get back into the main index. If you are not seeing indexing...well that may be another issue.

These are all just assumptions being made by me though.

7:44 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I noticed HEAVY crawling on the 13th of March 06, started 11am and slowed down by 1pm, how long (days) should it take?
8:17 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Digging a further into this problem supp pages also showed up on my domain. Just had to use site:widgets.com/sub/ to make them visible.

Also Google "supped" pages which are blocked by robots.txt . This is - as Googleguy mentioned - a big glitch and I hope they fix it.

8:33 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> I noticed that on my site where google has listed the whole domain a second time under: %20www.domain.com in supplementals <<

Somewhere there is a link that has a space after the http:// part and before the www.domain.com part.

You need to run Xenu LinkSleuth over your own site, starting at domain.com and then again starting at www.domain.com and make sure that it isn't your error.

9:05 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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my site is slowly coming back..all pages in the main directory are listed now but not any from my one subdirectory.
10:21 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You need to run Xenu LinkSleuth over your own site, starting at domain.com and then again starting at www.domain.com and make sure that it isn't your error.

someone linked to me with the gap. Google then crawled from that link and unfortunately the server was badly setup to allow that url to resolve. But Google should not be indexing those urls. Not as [%20domain.com....] That's really a side issue. The point was clicking the link from one of those pages which says MORE PAGES FROM THIS SITE returns results from 100's of other sites instead. Canicol issues is one thing butconfusing it with 100's of unrealted domains is another.

11:26 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Googlebot (normal one / not mozilla) has started heavy crawling one of the "sick" domains (with respect to the supplemental index).

Let's see if the missing pages will re-appear in the index...

11:41 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I've got the same problem only my pages are %09www, pretty much my whole site. My server was redirecting just about anything. I've just changed hosts so now these links go no where. I'm guessing that some day they will drop off. I contacted Google and they told me there was nothing they could do. I've got a duplicate of these with my old ip address(numeric). Now I have a new address and these are going to be bad links to, I'm currently redirectly them. I have just a few real www. links that work, all the rest a garbage pretty much. What a nightmare. I was getting traffic from the %09www and the ip links but they turned supplemental.

I'm praying!

12:08 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I would have added a 301 redirect to continue to capture the traffic and that would also help to delist the duff URLs at the same time.

If you have a forum with problems, drop in on this other thread [webmasterworld.com].

1:11 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>I would have added a 301 redirect to continue to capture the traffic and that would also help to delist the duff URLs at the same time.

Supposedly a zeus server cannot do 301 redirects, s*cks

1:21 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is there any way in the scripting to issue the required HTTP header information (Status Code and Location) before the HTML page is sent?
1:32 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>Is there any way in the scripting to issue the required HTTP header information (Status Code and Location) before the HTML page is sent?

I wish I knew, I haven't been able to find a way to do this. I ended up doing a refresh, yikes!

I did put in the header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently"); but its just text,

I'm getting so little traffic, I had do do something

1:49 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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First of all, excuse my poor english.
I've been reading this thread from the start, because my web <edited> is in the "supplemental hell" since January, and is a five years old site that never had a problem being listed by Google. Today I start thinking that maybe it's not only my web, or something that I did, and search for site:<my free web host> in Google... and all the pages listed for this host show up as supplemental. Is the bug this huge or am I totally wrong? Is time to think about change the host and painfully start all over again?

<Sorry, no personal URLs.
<See Forum Charter [webmasterworld.com]>

[edited by: tedster at 2:00 am (utc) on Mar. 23, 2006]

6:39 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd - Is it risky to apply 301's at this point in time. Maybe we should wait until things get fixed at Google .... some day ... what do you think?
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