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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-03-21

     

reseller

7:25 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

The Survivors of BigDaddy :-)

Good morning Folks

It seems the following 3 remaining sets of "old" DCs refuse to be converted to BigDaddy!

[66.102.9.99...]
[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.11.99...]
[66.102.11.104...]

[216.239.59.99...]
[216.239.59.104...]

Enjoy the look of the old infrastructure while its still there ;-)

[edited by: tedster at 7:40 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2006]

dodger

9:16 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't even know what canonicalization means (according to the rules? ) but I hope it includes getting rid of mirrors, I know a site that has 4 , and their traffic has gone through the roof at my expense.
Makes Google look quite sick when you see the same site with the .com and .net and 3 other extensions sometimes all on the first page of the SERP's

europeforvisitors

9:27 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)



Searches for this category is very clean. All the major competitors in our niche market are in the top of the serps with little spam.

I'm seeing million-page, keyword-driven "review" sites ranking at or near the top for some travel searches. (I suspect this phenomenon will be short-lived, since the same thing happened months ago but didn't last long.)

g1smd

9:40 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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At a friends house an hour ago, a search like site:domain.com for several sites brought ZERO results, even for a site:dmoz.org search. I didn't manage to find out what IP that datacentre was on. Some sites returned ONE page only (A site:dmoz.org search returns 22 000 000 results now, back home).

Kangol

9:40 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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On 64.233.187.99 for site:www.domain.com I get only 20 good indexed paged and the following message:

"In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 50 already displayed.
If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included."

Is Google considering that my site have similar (no content) pages? All those omitted pages are containing unique content and a similar navigation menu.

Sartori

9:41 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Would toolbar PR flux be expected with all this DC juggling?

One of my sites can't decide if it's a PR5 or PR6 since yesterday...

g1smd

9:42 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If the meta description is the same as the other pages, that is enough for them to be considered as being "similar". If the title is the same, then it is all over.

sjgreatdeals

9:47 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing lots of fresh tags on BD, this is the first time i have seen them ever on BD.

Kangol

9:51 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd,
I do not use the same meta and the titles. However I have 60 words menu on every page. If one site have similar pages can it cause a severe overall dropdown in rankings?

edited...

[edited by: Kangol at 10:08 pm (utc) on Mar. 23, 2006]

g1smd

9:58 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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By using the same title, you are telling Google that the page is similar: and they are believing you...

Eazygoin

10:06 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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g1smd >>

I really can't see that [ title tag being the same ]. Google looks through pages, not just at the title. From personal experience this has no affect on the pages.

Not trying to be argumentative, but just saying what I think :-)

g1smd

10:18 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You have a PM coming... study the examples very carefully...

MLHmptn

10:33 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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LGN,

I have about 40 links that show up in Google for my main site but all others are less than 20 inbound links showing in Google. Of course there is way more than what Google shows to us end users.

If these two datacenters spread across all dc's I'd be one happy SOB!

reseller

10:47 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good evening Folks

Here are very nice BigDaddy DCs. You might ask whats special about them?

Here is what I have noticed about two sites I watch:

- Fresh cache

- High number of indexed pages

- No supplementals as a result of pages returning back after being removed by Google removal tools for 6 months or so.

[72.14.203.99...]
[72.14.203.104...]

Of course, you might reach to a very different conclusion than mine regarding the sites you watch ;-)

Good night and God bless.

g1smd

10:52 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ignoring the [sfgiants] test, those results are the same as the non-BigDaddy results that I have been seeing for the last month or more.

Just Guessing

11:07 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[72.14.203.104...] - Different conclusions:

- not so fresh cache

- low number of indexed pages

- missing a load of new pages that were in the non-BD results

Kangol

11:12 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanx g1smd,
Yes, I think that my site have a dupe problem. I've removed the dupe paragraph and added AdWords. Some pages have AdWords served, some display free "Public Service Ads". I guess that there is something wrong with them.
Its a mess on Google on my niche right now.

Thanx.

BTW your imbox is full.

steveb

12:02 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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64.233.187.99 is interesting. Some positive ranking developments, some obviously putrid spam elevated, and some generally contradictory good/bad changes. Weird. Zero canonical/supplemental or sandbox improvement of course.

From what Matt said, they are congratulating themselves at the plex, but we won't see anything to congratulate them about for a few more months.

Since ya ain't done nuthin' normal people can see yet, keep the champagne on ice....

steveb

12:05 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Oh geen, now that dozen or so supplementals removed by the URL removal tool are back, a site: search now returns 9300 results instead of 950.

What a mess they have.

lgn1

12:32 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MLHmptn, sounds like you have roughly the same amount of links as I do, considering that google only shows 1/10 to 1/20 availble links and nothing above PR 4.

In our industry, links don't develop naturally well, and we are hammered by sites, who hire offshore link monkeys, to do nothing but develop irrelevant links, to get top results.

Hopefully, Google will start valuing off topic links for what they are worth, pratically nill.

Hopefully 64.233.187.99 is the light at the end of the tunnel

Miop

1:08 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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<Hopefully 64.233.187.99 is the light at the end of the tunnel>

That DC looks like yet another rollback for my site - old and outdated links from september last year.

sji2671

9:04 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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64.233.187.99 & 64.233.187.104 show rankings I have never achieved before for one of my main sites, a very high ranking, it also shows one of my other sites coming out of the sandbox and differs from all the other DC's I check.

Those two DC's look extremely nice for me and if they are the future it would look fresh and improved.

Dayo_UK

9:21 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)



Hi Folks.

You know those RK (Live PR) values we talked about perhaps being PR - all values seem to have gone to 0. (On virtually every single site/page on almost all DCs.)

Things are happening.

McMohan

9:33 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dayo, confirmed.

Dayo_UK

9:36 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)



Yes, with no change of serp positions.

So, this was the big thing for me - whether those values at the moment had any impact on the serps.

Looks like they did not - and perhaps either this is a temp downtime or another recalculation of these figures.

EG - I still think Serp positions are still determined by the old PR/BL not the new PR/BL as calculated by Mozilla Googlebot.

MLHmptn

10:08 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So what exactly is 64.233.187.99 & 64.233.187.104?

Are these the only two datacenters that have not switched over yet? I see alot of the same BD changes implemented on these two datacenters with an obvious twist on the results. It seems to me that SANDBOX filters have been lifted or something. Or then again maybe it's just a few of our sites that are out of the SANDBOX?

GoogleGuy have any answers possibly? Are these two datacenters proof that the SANDBOX exists?

Miop

12:55 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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< So what exactly is 64.233.187.99 & 64.233.187.104?

Are these the only two datacenters that have not switched over yet? I see alot of the same BD changes implemented on these two datacenters with an obvious twist on the results. It seems to me that SANDBOX filters have been lifted or something. Or then again maybe it's just a few of our sites that are out of the SANDBOX?

GoogleGuy have any answers possibly? Are these two datacenters proof that the SANDBOX exists? >

Hey my site has the old Serp position on it too, proof that my index page *does* have some kind of filter or penalty on it? (G told me in an email that there was not one).

BillyS

1:32 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>You know those RK (Live PR) values we talked about perhaps being PR

There goes my RK6. Gone to Zero here too.

angiolo

1:41 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think that it's diffult to say something at this time. In the same office, using two different computer (Win XP + IE Explorer ) and (MAC + Safari) I get two different results on the same IP......

One database shows about the double of results of the other.

I think that the database with less results is cleaner.

The database with the double of results gives preference to old Optimization tricks ( word stuffing, Internal text links etc. ).

frakilk

2:05 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>You know those RK (Live PR) values we talked about perhaps being PR

Yep a big fat Zero across the board here as well.

Nick0r

2:23 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yesterday morning (UK) I saw a totally new lot of SERPs that I've never seen before (on google.com). It showed new pages in site:, new rankings and it looked to be far more relevant overall.

Last night I looked for it again and it was nowhere to be seen - I tried the mcdar tool again today and no luck. All I know is that if that datacenter does return - I'm sure a lot of you webmasters will be VERY happy.

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