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Keyword Density for deep pages

What is best for Google on internal web-pages?

3:54 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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When you check the keyword word density on a webpage that you just wrote unique content for, should it include the tags like title, description, keywords, and alt tags?

Or just what is written on the webpage itself that visitors will read?

The reason I ask is that if you write a number of web-pages that are 2 to 4 pages deep, then the amount of content on those pages may vary from 100 to 200 words and the keyword density will be much higher on certain keywords or keyword phrases on each of those pages.

Does Google allow the keyword density to increase as you get deeper into a website?

Any ideas?


10:04 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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1. alt tags for images must be included but left empty

2. alt tags shold be provided for Flash and apppplets that Gbot can't parse.

3. Your title tag wording should match, but not verbatim, the 2 most important key phrases on the page.

4. Your page's description meta tag shoould include the wording in the title tag, followed by a short descriptor or definer. google will often use the contents of this tag for it's snippet, verbatim.


Does Google allow the keyword density to increase as you get deeper into a website?

I have built sites that were so loaded with keywords it's almost laughable... but the keywords were all, about the product/vice versa.

Since you're experiencing (gleaned from your posts) success in Google... you're probably fine. Honest web sites that are really about purple widgets for Chevrolet dashboards can be filled to the brim w/ keywords about purple widgets for Chevrolet dashboards, just keep an eye on word stemming and include...

(you'll follow this I'm sure)

Reasons why purple shows up better; where the widget should sit on the dashboard; why the purple widget works on Chevy dasboards but not Buicks'; other colors of 'dashboard widgets' that you sell, etc., etc..

I've built sites loaded w/ keywords that have survived numerous Google "dances", and are still at #2,3,4,5 in the SERP after many years in Google. it's all about what the site is all about.. pick 4 categories / SERP categories and stay on target.

It's good to have a couple of top-level pages that are populated well by keywords, and making sure your site hiererachy (sp?) supports such leading the bot via menus to lower-level pages that are even more populated.. Pages like "learning center" and FAQ" and "technical details" can, again, be chock full of key words / phrases.

However, make sure there are top-level pages that are +barely+ about these widgets, more about your company, the excellent manufacturing QC, yeta, yeta.

If you need any help, contact me privately.. since you're running a rather honest site, I actually have a question or two I could ask you... are you monitoring your log files..?

IOW... don't push too far.


10:19 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"1. alt tags for images must be included but left empty"

I just read in (more than one) other thread that image ALT tags SHOULD include keywords?

which is correct?

10:43 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think it is far too easy to get carried away in one direction regarding this topic.

Firstly, there are so many different types of sites, and they have to be treated differently.

If you have an information site on flowers, for example, you would treat it very differently to a commerce site on flowers, because your goals would be considerably different for each site.

Let's take it one step further, and mention the issue of viewer participation in the site. It could be a blog, information or commerce site. Now, if you allow visitors to create pages for their interests or goods, then the keyword issue is somewhat redundant as far as your input goes regarding the content,as you have no control over it. Yes, you can write the tags for the page, but keyword density in the content is beyond your control.

I could write a book about this, but suffice to say, that websites are unique, and should be treated as such, allowing for variants.....no hard and fast rules, apart from the obvious ones such as staying clean, and being user friendly.

3:23 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I's important to filter your data, Cygnus with your own research.

Set aside 1/2 day, pick a search phrase you want to do well in and carefully examine the source on the to 5 in that SERP set.

Are the alt tags empty, or in use?

Do the snippets Google generates match the meta description tag's wording very colosely.. maybe even word-for-word..?

or not at all..?

Do the keywords for thet SERP appear in the titles of the top 5.. and in what order?

What context are the key pgrases in..? Are they stright out product sale hyperbole, or is the landscape more of an informative setting..?

Click on "similar pages". see what -Google- thinks is "similar" to your product or products.

Click on the Google cache page for each one, let -Google- show you where keywords land on top level pages.

get the drift..?


4:00 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am an LA based photographer and have a couple of hundred images in my site with some written content. I am planning on increasing content on each page significantly but I am also wondering how relevant the alt tags will be and what weight they have in key word density.

Any thoughts?

4:15 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Use alt text...


11:27 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A while back it was suggested to me that I check the top 10 sites on a given keyword or phrase for keyword density. I was amazed. On one search word the density varied from zero to 30%. So I decided to quit worrying about key word density and just write what is natural.
12:41 am on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just read in (more than one) other thread that image ALT tags SHOULD include keywords?

Mostly this is true, but the exception is images used purely for effect and layout. In that case it is best to just use alt="". It prevents people using screen readers having to listen to pointless reading of alt text for images that do not matter to the content of the page.

If you bear in mind that such readers will hear the alt text, and write your alt text with that audience in mind as well as search engines, you generally end up with text that is both useful and descriptive AND contains text/key phrases relevent to the page. Everyone happy.

1:29 am on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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from my personal view 2%-3% is a good average density it depends on what keyboard and for alt tags, its important that the alt text contains your keywords

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