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Do over optimisation penalties exist?

         

bekyed

12:27 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

We are at a complete loss here and are just about to give up hope on this.
We were positioned well for over six years on google in the top ten with our competitors next to us, we have never used spam at all.
Since December all of our positions for our major keywords dropped to invisibility and over time this has dropped even more, now we cannot be found on any major terms at all.
We have around 3000 links into the site from people just adding us to their websites using our keywords, these keys are also found in the title, description, h1, and on the page.
Could this be the cause, any help is appreciated.

My next move is to remove the keywords completely from the site to see what happens, but as the site is only indexed every month, this is a long process as we are losing serious revenue for our business.

Bek.

[edited by: tedster at 9:45 pm (utc) on Jan. 14, 2006]

Vadim

7:31 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Have you checked 302 hijack?

It is strange that your site is re-indexed only once in a month. Are you renewing the content often?

I would not delete the keywords on your pages. I would rather tried to reduce their density to reasonable level that is in average is the same that for the site of the similar topic.

I do not believe that there is an over optimization penalty, but I do believe that there is an over optimization filter that tries to strip out the over-optimization and calculate your real site value. It often makes mistakes. They seems turn on this filter when the optimization is well above the average level.

Have you try your site on new experimental date centers with improved treatment of the 302, 301 and canonical URL?
66.249.93.104
64.233.179.104
If your site do well on them you may simply should wait while they spread out the experiment to all their data center.

Vadim.

bekyed

2:21 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi vadim.

I did an inanchor and another site site showed up with a redirect to our site, is this the problem, how do i get rid of this.

Bek.

legallyBlind

3:03 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Can't do much but here are some few tricks that may help you:

[clsc.net...]

longen

3:42 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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did an inanchor and another site site showed up with a redirect to our site

Is it a 302 redirect?

milanmk

6:02 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If your site do well on them you may simply should wait while they spread out the experiment to all their data center.

Could you please explain it further.

Me too having the same problem like what bekyed is having but my site is somewhat small.

When i searched for my top keywords in your given datacenters [66.249.93.104] it was in top 3 rankings!

What are these new data centers and how long it would take to update all the rest of them?

longen

7:29 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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bekyed

Of the three url's only the second is a 302 redirect. I doubt if a single 302 would cause your problems, i had at least seven to my site last year.

I will look around for other problems.

theBear

7:57 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I sent bekyed a sticky pointing out what I had found.

It was a fairly long list.

Like anything thing else dealing with Google it may be just one or a combination that is nailing him.

Out of what I saw the duplicate description and keywords on a large number of pages stood out.

As did the incorrect handling of 404s he is doing a 302/200 found which is the default if you provide a custom error document in an incorrect manner. How ever it isn't duplicating his home page in the index which was the old behavior. What this maybe results in is the page still existing at both the old url and a new url. This would also amount to duplicate content as well as some link churn within his site if there were a large number of affected pages..

There are several other things that are both more speculative in nature than those I outline here.

bekyed

8:06 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thank you Guys.

Any help from you all is well appreciated.
I am sure we will crack it soon.

Wayne.