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Strange, long lasting phenomenon - PR shifts

Page rank toggling and cache changing



7:01 am on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My main site was PR6 (after two years at PR5) for about 2 months. Then about 2 or 3 months ago, it dropped back to PR5.

About 3 or 4 weeks ago, I started to see it toggling back and forth from 5 to 6. I'm guessing that different datacenters have different info about my site. I've also noticed that the page's cache at one of the sites is from Dec 22, while from others it is up to date.

When I first saw the toggling, I was very happy to have re-attained PR6, and like other times, expected the change to roll out everywhere. But now it's around amonth, and I'm still seeing the same thing.

BTW, I have a subdomain that's toggling between 2 and 3 and another that's toggling between 3 and 4. It does appear that there's sort of a pattern.

When subdomain A is 2, subdomain B is 5 and main domain is 6.
When subdomain A is 3, subdomain B is 4 and main domain is 5.

Traffic (natural referrals from G and others) is as strong as ever. It's like the Google or my site is stuck in a timewarp, or in groundhog day. I feel like I just have to do one more thing correct, and I'll get my 6 back.

What does this have to do with AdSense? It does seem that my earnings were somewhat affected by my PR. When I went down from 6 to 5 my earnings went up a little, and when I was started to improve and toggle between 5 and 6 my earnings went down a little, in December.

Huh? :D

indias next no1

12:12 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i am also seeing flucutations on my domain names PR.

1st domain : PR 4 back to 3 and again to 4
2nd domain : PR 4 back to 0 and again to 4

i don't see any improvement on adsense earings because of this fluctuation.


9:16 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Anybody else seeing this?


10:22 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I would not get to hung up on the Toolbar PR. Google claims that REAL PR is changed all the time and that by the time the Toolbar gets it it is old news. I have a PR 0 site that gets better placement than a PR 3 site.


1:46 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could it be a coincidence that your earnings and your PR are fluctuating at the same time? I wouldn't assume that one is causing the other.


3:34 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think the issue is that Google has asked us not to try and chase the Toolbar PR for they have changed the rules by making REAL PR very dynamic. The Toolbar PR is now more of a history reference tool then a indication of current PR. That is why Toolbar PR is only updated every few months while REAL PR is changed every week. I know this does not make any of us very secure for Toolbar PR use to be the holy grail. Now it is just a reminder of the past.


6:20 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Recently it happened twice, that Toolbar reversed to previous data, first time when it happened there was a thread about it, second time it was very short flux and I guess no many people noticed.

But as for Toolbar PR, please search for older threads where it has been said by many members, including GoogleGuy, that there is Real PR calculated continuosly and Toolbar PR is exported from time to time.

Personally, I think it's often exported with a bit outdated data. So after Toolbar update, you see what PR your site HAD some time ago, now, a few months after tPR update, you see that your site had PR6 in the past, and when there's a flux to PR5, it indicates that half year ago your site had PR5. Now you could have PR7 as well and you wouldn't know it until next update.


7:52 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

Actually, what I'm interested in is how it affects my AdSense earnings. Though I understand the moderator's decision to move this post here.

I understand that toolbar PR is a snapshot and that by definition is not current data. I guess what I didn't make clear at all in my initial post is that it goes from 5 to 6 to 5 to 6 (etc) on the same day, on subsequent visits to the site. It seems that I get a few more 5s than 6s. It seems that wherever data center the toolbar gets it's data from shifts from page load to page load.

That said, it is just a hint "sticky", so when site a had a 6 site b has a 2 and site c has a 5 if I visit them consecutively... sometimes! Other times I get other results.

All the phenomenon aside, the question remains about PR and AdSense earnings; When it changed over to a 5 from a 6, my earnings went up, when it started to toggle back and forth 5 my earnings went down.

Traffic referred from Google has been very strong and stable, not changing much based on Toolbar PR, as you guys suggested.


10:54 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I too have been noticing over the last couple of weeks our site go from 4-5 to 5-0 to 0-4!

It must be just one dc, as whenever I try to replicate it on another PC it shows a different value...

Our site has been PR 4 for a year now, it was once a PR 5 so I would guess with a few extra links we've received it would probably be pretty close to PR 5 now.

Another new site also started showing PR, but bounced back to 0 again shortly after.


6:04 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone seeing a PR update or a shifting PR. My web site is going from a PR6 to PR0 to PR6 all morning.


[edited by: tedster at 9:49 pm (utc) on Jan. 8, 2006]
[edit reason] spliced from another thread [/edit]


7:22 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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possibly two different DC's?


7:25 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep - old PR is still visible occassionally!

Not an update though. A temp rollback.


8:39 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My PR6 is back...:)-


9:10 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see it too, and it is definitely a rollback to tPR from previous update.

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