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It seems that what we thought to be testing serps on the test DC [220.127.116.11...] have suddenly today started showing on "defaults" googles, as google.de, google.co.uk and google.com etc...
While the test DC isn't showing anymore the new serps.
I'm starting this thread to post our remarks concerning the new serps.
I'm seeing a slight change in SERPs and we went up a position from 4 to 3, so thats a good start to the year as far as I'm concerned. I won't get out the champaign yet, but there's been enough of that lately anyway.
Have a great year. Scott
I have canonical problems and thousands of supplementals from 3 causes:
1. www vs. non-www
2. 2 domain names pointing to same site
3. thousands of pages moved
In July, I placed 301’s on non-www and 2nd domain name, and I did 301’s the day I moved 3000 pages into folders. The 301s worked on about half of the moved pages, the other half went supplemental..
I see an improvement on the new serps, but things are not completely fixed for me.
1.If I do a site:mysite.com –www, I still have 1700 supplemental results. No change.
2.If I do a site: on my 2nd domain name, I have gone from over 3000 supplemental to 75. The 75 that are remaining have cache dates from Feb 2004 to October 2004, and some of these 75 are URL only. Those that no longer appear as supplemental had a cache date of Feb 2005.
3.For the thousand of pages that I moved, they still appear as supplemental; however, the number of these supplementals has been reduced from 1800 to 1000.
So, things are improving, but still a ways to go for me to fix canonicals and supplementals. I’ve toyed with using the URL removal tool for the moved pages, but don’t want to cause more harm than good.
I've read every posting on the Jagger, pre-Jagger, and post-Jagger update threads, and I think I can say I don't remember anybody who said their Google results improved on Sept 22, but mine did. Tripled, in fact, as I started to get ranked for internal pages. My guess is that perhaps Google loosened a dup filter on Sept 22. My rankings sank again on Nov. 7, when I think they re-instated the dup filter as Jagger came to an end. I’d sure love to know what Sept 22 was all about.
My thanks to all. You are helping more people than you know.
Anyway, the changes look a heck of a lot better than they did before, but unfortunately the pages still don't rank.
Not much to say about these results so far for me. I've got half the number of pages that Google.com shows for my website and over 100 Supplemental pages - mostly PDF files that I no longer allow via robots.txt. This was an attempt to eliminate duplicate content. Those that were not, I've now gone through all the trouble of returning a 410 for all the supplemental results that are no longer on the website (for years…). Others have been fixed with 301s.
It’s complete mess for me with absolutely no progress since the last update. For a search engine that is supposed to be so sophisticated, they are the worst at handling these things. Even Yahoo (with all their troubles) finally figures these things out.
On the bright side, allowing me to finally see all this crap gives me a chance to try and fix it. Maybe by February I’ll be back.
We took our huge hit in February and have never recovered. On this dc, 18.104.22.168, we have no supplementals or url onlys, and over 1/2 of our site is indexed including our main pages. This is the only dc that I see this at. All other dc's show lots of url onlys and have a totally inflated page count.
Somebody give me some hope that this is a good thing.
If Google would just please go live with it..
On the test DC (doing site: search,) we have a few supplementals on the last page and when I click "repeat the search..." it shows all of the non-www. pages that were 301'd to the www. pages back in 5/04. I wonder if these non-www, supplemental listings are influencing the rankings?
Anyway, to get a little more back on topic, when people were reporting that the test DC results were sometimes showing live, I did notice a few hits from Google search for longer, obscure phrases. When I checked them out, I could see that it was from something like page fortysomething in the SERPS for the long term. It's a start, but there's a long way to go.
What I have seen is gain for legit phrases for my sites and
decrease in ranking for non targetted combinations
Overall I am not sure about traffic.
but from google perspective a few legit pages of my sites were dropped out of index (10000 pages) about 10 % decrease in english results.
But overall for my site it is ok, I would wait for the day when spam blogs strange .info sites with scrapped content are dropped completely from the index
The test datacenters just have different (spammier) results, that's all. Still no obeying of 301s for supplementals, still no deletion of supplementals that are 404 and well linked. In short, no significant change at all.
joined:May 21, 2002
Surprising that this thread is not moving at a faster rate - could be that people are still on the Hols - or perhaps lots of people are not seeing much.
Is this just another attempt to continue the Jagger update? :)
Well, I guess there are no significant changes for rankings on sites that experienced the 302 hijack/canonical URL problems. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I am just clinging to the small hope that's left, that is to be returned to the index properly, rankings and all.
I'm happy for those seeing improvements, but I've got fewer pages and a lot more supplementals in this new index. Despite the fact Googlebot has been more aggressive this month. As I said earlier, at least this gave me an opportunity to manually try and fix any stragglers.
Prior to his Happy New Year post, GG had not been here since October. I guess Matt - I mean GoogleGuy - is going to provide guidance from his blog. Err, you know what I mean...
I think we'll just have to wait and see. I don't think this is permanent. At least I would hope not!
My only hope is that the results are so bad (I rank with pages that don't mention or relate to the search term!) that it's all just a glitch and normality will be restored soon.
joined:June 11, 2005
They used to have good positions for many different keyword phrases related to their business, but after Jagger, they are only positioned well for a scattered few phrases.
What is really weird is they have good serps for short phrases in higher competition, but longer more specific searches with less competition they are no-where to be found.
Unfortunately, those longer searches used to be a large portion of their traffic, and better targeted customers.
I have been scratching my head as to what sort of weird penalty can there be?
I have been scratching my head as to what sort of weird penalty can there be?
Just because a site does not show up for a specific keyword search does not mean there is a penalty. Unfortunately, it's just sometimes the way things are. Perhaps you can call it the “luck of the draw” penalty.
Regardless of the impact of the new serps on your site(s), one thing for sure; Life is still great and wonderful and the older you are the more you will agree with me on that :-)
I see a mixed feelings through out the thread, and that seems to be always the case when new serps emerge. Some register changes and others just wonder what we are talking about.
We would have expected some feedback from Matt "Inigo" Cutts, but he wrote on his blog yesterday that he is without broadband and electricity (maybe he hadn't paid the bills :-)). So we might wait some time to hear from Matt.
Wish you all a great day.
This was even pre jagger in the summer.
Those days are gone as the longer keyphrases are no longer as 'guaranteed' as they were pre jagger. I believe this is due to the overwhleming number of sites and the specialties of newer niche sites arriving daily.
Sunday morning I held out real hope that this was finally happening having seen the new results on google.com - after a while, alternating between the new SERPS and current ones.
I wish we could hear from someone as to when or if these new SERPS will go live as for me, my site has returned to where it was...and for some words, better than it was pre-Jagger.
There is one thing I noticed when the results showed on Google Sunday morning: that is, when I did a site:mydomain.com -www, there were still a couple of results shown but not as many as are now (and have always been) showing on the test DC. There are only about 5 pages showing (including the home page) but when the new SERPS were showing, there were about 3 pages (without the non-www home page) - not sure if this means anything.