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Hobbyist can't crack Google

One frustrated dude here.

         

smiddy

2:55 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I went live with my new site last March. I run a site for a hobby. I still have not been indexed by Google. I am frustrated. Here are the facts as I know them.

1. If you search on my target search string, I don't show up in Google at all. I get a lot of hits on my site from msn, yahoo and others for those search words, but none from Google. I have zero visitors from Google.

2. There aren't many links that I can get from other sites. I have worked my tail off to try to get on, but their are some sites that are listed on Googles top 5-10 pages are not being managed. In other words, nothing on those sites has changed for years and there is no one on the other side that will return my emails for links.

This is really one of my biggest pet peeves with Google. They list 3 sites on the first page of Google that are literally dead, yet still being served. No fresh content at all. Good job Google.

If I search on my target search string, I see my site listed on the first pages of Google on other peoples sites as links. Yet, a backlink search on Google shows that I only have 2 links when I have at least 30. It doesn't even list a backlink I have on the most popular link site there is for me (and it has a high page rank). It's the site that comes up first under my search string and it shows my site in the detail. I've been there for 3 months now. I know Google has indexed that site as my site is listed. Why no backlink?

3. I have seen the Google spider on my site...a lot, so I guess I have kinda been indexed. Occasionally I will get on the first page of Google, but it only lasts a day then I'm not listed the next day anywhere (and I've searched the entire results of Google pages using my search string). If anything I am listed last and in a weird way. Just my url heading.

4. It's difficult to 'freshen up' content on a site like mine, but I decided I would give it a try by offering updated news, reviews and comments on my site. I've only been doing this for a couple of weeks, but I have no idea what affect it will have...if any.

5. I program in php and use an include file for my header information (which contains metatag info) and menu (or my links to internal web pages). Makes it easier to make changes. Not sure if Google will hate me for that. I just started doing this two weeks ago, so that wouldn't explain my first nine months problems with Google.

6. I've submitted my site to Google quite a few times over the last 10 months.

7. I have no idea if I'm doing something wrong in my server setup. It's pretty vanilla though.

I appreciate any constructive help that can be offered. I'll offer my site up if you need it, not sure if it is frowned upon here.

~very frustrated

g1smd

10:40 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> See if there are any wikipedia categories you can submit to. <<

Links added by "non regular wikipedia editors" are routinely culled. Wikpiedia is not a good place to try to exploit for backlinks.

[edited by: g1smd at 10:55 pm (utc) on Dec. 22, 2005]

guru5571

10:44 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would recommend the zenome project as an up and coming directory to get listed in.

jenkers

7:46 am on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<< I'm almost always skeptical about the received wisdom on this forum, myself. Still, it can't do any harm to get listed. >>

a listing in DMOZ is certainly not essential and can be hard getting - but, at least at the moment, if you get an entry in DMOZ you'll start to get traffic from MSN immediately - is a nice to have while G decides how long its going to take to let you climb the serp ladder.

smiddy

1:43 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just thought I'd post an update as I like to see complete threads.

I am now ranked number 4 on Google. Cool. Hope I can stay on that first page.

It must have been the title issue and maybe some other html issues as well. I cleared all of that up and I'm on the first page of Google now. I thank g1smd for the link to the html verifier. Helped a lot.

Funny though that I have a -1 pagerank.?

Small Website Guy

4:22 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a site I created in August 2004. Google still ignores it, but MSN and Yahoo send it some traffic. It has PR5. I haven't done much with it in over a year. Without free Google traffic, the site is worthless.

trillianjedi

4:34 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Links added by "non regular wikipedia editors" are routinely culled.

None of mine have ever been culled and I'm not an editor.

I think it boils down more to the quality of the resource that you link to rather than who did it.

TJ

g1smd

7:54 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Let's say that links added by non-regular editors are inspected more closely then; perhaps that might be a better way of putting it.

devitnow

9:11 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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let me chime in too and say that it's common to feel frustated when your site is out ranked by dead sites that are abandoned and have not been updated in years.

One reason I feel this happens is that back in the day before search engines were good, web sites relied much more on cross linking and links pages to help visitors find related information. A links page on the main menu was a common site feature that's no where to be found in the majority of newly developed web sites.

The practice of linking has really gone down. Partly, because search engines have replaced the need and partly because everyone is overly concerned about PR and PR leaks.

Waiting since last March is a long time. But you have no choice but to continue to develop better content. In time you'll get recognized for this. I have often noticed my sites turn on like a light switch. They place just awful for a long time and then suddenly they are golden.

So as frustrating as this sounds.. keep developing quality content and wait a bit more.

Devvy

p.s.

I just read my posting, when I say 'better content' I don't want to suggest your content is poor. I'm sure it's great. I know this because you're frustrated, so you have worked hard at it. I just mean develop even more quality content.

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