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Now for the hard part -- what did they change and what, if anything, can you do about it. In most cases, trying to respond to a shift that is only 4 days old is not a wise thing. Hurtful as the change can be to your revenues, I would say watch and wait for a while. As you saw even in this short period, you vanished and then reappeared elsewhere.
Another possibility is that there is a data glitch on Google's back end. With that huge pile of data distributed over maybe 60,000 servers, stuff definitely happens. This alone is a good enough reason not to jump into a response to a recent change.
Would you be kind to test on the following 2 Google data centers both your "big keywords" and the "other major keyowrds" and tell us what you see.
[64.233.171.99...]
[66.102.7.99...]
Thanks.
>> another possibility is that there is a data glitch on Google's back end.
I vote this, at least partly. Google has digestion problems and I am seeing many totally unique pages (as in no other matches for sentence searches), with PR, yet they are supplemnentals.
Welcome aboard! You're on the Google poop-list boat with a bunch of us.
Or, as some say in war, unintended collateral damage.
What does it mean if I like the results I see on those two data centers. My homepage has been absent in Google for several months. Two days ago, I magically re-appeared, and this morning, I'm gone again.
I am showing up on those two datacenters you posted.
I show a PR-0 whitebar, not grey, but nowhere in the index at all using site:mysite.com. Gads.
Sitting in my spot in the SERPS now are sites that are peripherally associated with my niche - keywords "lefthand blue widgets" show sites for massiveWidgetMart.com who doesn't carry the lefthand blue ones. Also high in the ranks are local government sites that talk about their requirements for lefthand blued widgets if you wish to do widget business with their municipalities.
Gads.
Also, the two DCs mentioned above currently show the exact same wonky returns on both servers.
I recently fell of page one as well. However I am
on page three for the data centers reseller has listed.
I am not sure what this means? Does it mean I may pop back up soon? What is the significance of these datacenters?
None whatsoever. Google plays around with them. Here right now, gone the next second. Wait till it settles
Correct. Not the ones to be concerened about.
>>reseller,
What does it mean if I like the results I see on those two data centers.<<
Good morning
This isn´t about whether you, walkman or anybody else like the results of the mentioned DCs. It isn´t either about who you, walkman and the rest love most ;-)
This DC [64.233.171.99...] has been stable for few days now and since yesterday evening its results started propagating to around 50% of the DCs I watch.
In a time where nobody knows exactly whats going on, studying the movement of the DCs maybe of help.
Ok. The results of the DCs are changing all the time. But even knowing that is of value. Because it allow us to notice the DCs which results are settled and propagating...
And of course I understand the frustrations and sadness that my kind fellow members (including Walkman) feel specially since 22nd Sept 2005. I have been at the same situation just after Allegra and then on 22nd July 2005 where my Google´s referrals dropped to around 10%.
My page rank has gone to zero, zip, zilch. Not a gray bar, but a white bar. It's usually got a page rank of 4, but sometimes higher (I don't know how that changes; I mean, I know theoretically, but I don't specifically know where and what is happening to make the change). But to have any and all evidence of my site DISAPPEAR from Google entirely, EXCEPT that it has a white bar instead of a gray one?
My site has no search engine optimization at all and hasn't for years. Everything on it is there for human eyes. I can't imagine why I'd be penalized. But this is a big deal to me. And I don't understand any of it.
Oh yeah: It happened at almost exactly 2:00am, US EST, October 15.
Thanks.
How do I do that?
My immediate hallucination is that you're saying that I need to use their submit form to sort of re-notify them that my site exists. However, given that there are links to my site all over the Internet, I'm thinking that Google knows that my site exists simply by spidering other sites. I doubt Google goes two days in a row without finding a link to my site that way.
Further, I remember reading here, long ago, advice on not using that form, that it's better for Google to find your site from outside links.
So, for clarification, what is the advantage of using that form here? And what could have happened to make my site fall out of Google?
JuniorOptimizer is saying you need to submit a reinclusion request through the Google form letter system.
This is not the same as "adding your site to Google" through the add url system.
Google has blocked your site from being in the index. You could add it a bazilion times and get nowhere.
Did you per chance get an email from Google stating you are being dropped? They are piloting such a system for "some" conditions.
Did you per chance get an email from Google stating you are being dropped? They are piloting such a system for "some" conditions.
No, I haven't. How on earth would Google know where to send it? WHOIS information? Would they go to all of that trouble?
I have found a sort of guidelines list for Google's manual reviewers to use when reviewing pages. One topic from that list says:
100% Frame
What you'll see on your Quest page: URL A is shown as a query result.When you click the link: URL A appears in the address bar of the browser. The page uses a frame that occupies all (or nearly all) of the browser window. Page B fills this frame. You need to reveal the page information for page B. In Internet Explorer, point to any place on the main page (other than an image) inside the frame with your cursor, right-click and choose “Properties”. Check Address: ( URL).2
What's probably going on: Domain B is a legitimate commercial site that wants to extend its reach in Google’s index, so it creates Domain A. Google indexes and scores the content on A, yet the user is shown Domain B in the 100% frame. Again, what’s created for search engine robots differs from what is created for human visitors.
That situation exists for ONE page on my website, although the "What's probably going on" portion doesn't apply at all. I'm guessing it's the problem, but I don't know what to do about it.
Anyway, until I can rule it out, I'll be suspicious of it. I'll have to do something and then send the re-inclusion request.
Further to theBear excellent post, I wish to add the followings:
- do a thorough cleaning of your site. Remove anything which is not in accordance with Google´s Webmaster Guidelines (GWG).
[google.com...]
- file a reinclusion request ( subject: Reinclusion Request)
[google.com...]
(x) I'm a webmaster inquiring about my website
then
(x) Why my site disappeared from the search results or dropped in ranking
- explain what you have done (cleaning) to meet the GWG
- write that you are not going to repeat the same "mistakes"
Thats it. As simple as that ;-)
Good luck!
[edited by: reseller at 7:12 pm (utc) on Oct. 16, 2005]
Yes, I filed a re-inclusion request. I've also asked for just plain help in determining if I've been banned or what. The silence from G is deafening.
I'm at a loss as to what to do. I'm not in violation of guidelines. I'm an 'authority niche' site. I've got great links in and out. No funny stuff.
Gads!
So what could cause such a disruption to a website that has climbed its way to page one over 3 years work?
Google's been quirky lately. Since September 22nd, the data centers have been showing at least three sets of results. This has been ongoing for a couple of weeks now, yet GoogleGuy has yet to show up here. The only thing he has promised is an update between now and December.
My site's been in a deep crawl since yesterday. The pot is stirring but it's not done yet. I think Google's tweaking in preparation for a big update, so it's premature to think about changing anything. You just need to be patient right now.
17th October I have had one site completely drop out of Google. Another one site that was doing really well, and it was VERY CLEAN a total white hat site. It has been absolutely hammered 100 plus searches that were top 3 As of yesterday. Some 20% are now on page two 40% on page 3 and 30% now not in the top 50.
4 other sites I monitor we all fine.
The Google local search in my country on one of the searches I was totally dropped for (the other competitors have also gone for that search) This niche product has now not one relevant search in the top 20. ( not one title tag contains the key words)
I have to agree with BillyS . I will just wait and see what happens for a bit Google wants to stay in business and couldn’t let this carry on.
