My site has been First Now vanished from Google

My site has been the first of its kind, I drop off Google

[sabine7777]

For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google. My site has been the FIRST of its kind and is in all the natural search results on the first spot. I'm just a small business, but since spet of 2004 I have been vanishing off of Google every 6 weeks or so--recently it has been more often and for longer periods. Does Google discriminate against Older sites? Are they doing it so that we will advertise with them? Any help, advice, comment from a desperate single mother of 4!

[Dayo_UK]

>>>otherwise they would delete my postings.

I dont know - I have seen some posts by Mods who really have no idea what is happening at Google and are also a bit fed up with it all.

What I am seeing is clearly a bug - no question in my mind - problem is the bug has been in place for 6-7 months - and Google have made a few attempts at a fix and unfortunately none have worked so far - or have worked but Google did not like the side effects.

I also agree that the supplemental index is cr@p - why would I want to see that Google indexed a page over a year ago that no longer exists on the website.

[dramstore]

Maybe the supplemental index is an attempt to find the original source of content from websites in an attempt to ban the scrapers (gone horribly wrong obviously)

[aliszka]

All search engines should be regulated by the government and a set of guidelines to be followed for what is required to rank, if this doesn't work, government needs to take over completely! IMO

[Tropical Island]

All search engines should be regulated by the government and a set of guidelines to be followed for what is required to rank, if this doesn't work, government needs to take over completely! IMO

Yeah, that's what we need - government control. Think FEMA.

[Romeo]

... REPLACING THEM BY AN EU SEARCH ENGINE.

Who should implement and run that engine ... the Eurocrats? Better not.
On the other hand, everybody is free to build an own engine ... anywhere, even in Europe. Just go ahead.

All search engines should be regulated by the government and a set of guidelines to be followed for what is required to rank, if this doesn't work, government needs to take over completely!

Yes, probably ... ahh, wait: which government? The government of Burkina Faso? of Libya? of China? of the Bahama Islands? Or the U.S.? Probably not a good idea.
I would favour the government of Jamaica, or Tonga ...

Regards,
R.

[jcmiras]

The Philippine Government. Such that if you loss your ranking, just paid them, then your in again. lolz.. ;-)

I really hate my government. So corrupt

[aliszka]

>>>Yeah, that's what we need - government control. Think FEMA.

It will happen, multiple countries come together to form a worldwide internet policy! IMO

[AlexMiles]

Well we need to do something.

Remember when everyone thought the parasite problem was out of control, and yet unfixable?

Now spyware cleaners are standard, and any neighbor of mine who should be unfortunate enough to catch one anyway just gets their hosts file altered so that attempts to visit popular file sharing program sites end up at localhost. This ensures I don't spend *every* waking hour cleaning up after their teenagers.

While I'm at it, it would be no trouble to ban Google in a similar fashion and set the homepage to Dogpile. Googles ruinous effect on the economics of small businessess is worse than any parasite, and quite political in effect.

You could campaign for political action, and, considering the vested interests in controlling the flow of information, you'd probably succeed faster than you'd think - but I don't think the result would be any happier, plus Google would look like the martyrs.

We are mostly not political experts, but we are technical experts. Technical experts who have been picked on, pushed around then ripped off. What do we do? We react to the latest disaster all the time by begging and pleading and running round like headless chickens. This IMO is the wrong approach.

Whoever posted that Google is now like a disasterously patched up mainframe had it about right.

Well I think its time we inflicted a disaster or two ourselves - by changing the hosts file on every computer we legitimately get our paws on, so that it cannot see Google.

[edited by: AlexMiles at 11:44 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2005]

[guitaristinus]

pescatore wrote

Google Yahoo and MSN is nothing else then another face of the American imperialism

Made me laugh. Buy some stock.

pescatore also wrote on Sept 9 (before the update) ...

"Sept is my best month ever"
here too ,both adsense & affiliates

If the update is in your favor next month what will become of your political self and your new Goal in Life?

I personally would rather see the government take control of the internet instead of all these greedy search engines!

More government = less freedom.

[AlexMiles]

>>>Google Yahoo and MSN is nothing else then another face of the American imperialism

>>Made me laugh. Buy some stock.

There speaks someone who never paid twice the price for an Adword because of his nationality.

>More government = less freedom.

Actually, since all government is effectively middle management for corporations, there isn't much difference.

The only thing that increases freedom is self-reliance and the nerve to practice it.

[FattyB]

Well I think this is all a bit besides the point of the thread, regards the recent changes.

The problem with search engine guidelines is if you state the exact process then it is always going to be exploited, unless you manually review every entry...

So do you think that is it or more movement to come this week?

I spoke to Google again regards our own site and they just said the same thing again. Site not penalised...normal movement as they add pages etc. So not too helpful, though I can understand why they are so cloak and dagger.

For myself looks like just need to resign to this lower search traffic baseline and build on it. But will keep an eye in the hope of some movement.

[reseller]

Hi Folks

Now that we have all expressed our frustration and sadness about the situation of Google, lets get back to business ;-)

Any good news of sites recovering?

Or any more sad news about sites dropping in rankings or just dropped out of the index?

Thanks!

[taps]

reseller

for a short period Google was showing less pages on site:www.mysite.foo - about 270.000 instead of 309.000 before. Before Sep 22nd it was only 110.000. (sorry, don't know which DC it was).

Maybe Google is calculating the changes after I removed a lot of pages from the index using the removal console.

There's a little bit of hope.

[stinkfoot]

>>> Any good news of sites recovering?

Yes my new site is topping out now please check the search listing for search terms "google sucks"

[Dayo_UK]

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Hmmm - I know it not allowed at WebmasterWorld - just cant believe what I am seeing.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 12:31 pm (utc) on Oct. 4, 2005]

[AlexK]

dubnoir:

I have had some problems in mid Dec of 04 - ranks started to shift up and down, but many remained in the top20. then on 2nd of Feb 05 the site was gone, but mostly recovered on March 8th and fully recovered on 28th of March 05. no problems since, but now the site is gone. filter=0 does not bring it back. the SERPs in my sector look pretty bad - most of the sites in the top20 should really not be there and hardly deserve the spots that they occupy. quite shameful.

That is so close to my site's experience with Google (together with some other postings) that I wanted to highlight it.

Google is beginning to get a reputation for "not listening" - that is going to hurt it in the long run far more than any small-scale problems with it's SERPs.

[reseller]

Dayo_UK

>>Hmmm - I know it not allowed at WebmasterWorld - just cant believe what I am seeing. <<

Ok. We are all ears ;-)

[aeiouy]

We get NOTHING free from Google. Google's whole business is living off the sweat of honest webmasters and reselling our work in the form of search engine results.

You are certainly free to stop them from listing your sites. In fact they make many options/tools available to do just that. You don't have to let Google list your pages, you choose to do so. This doesn't mean you get a say in how you are ranked, nor what criteria is used.

Just because some webmasters have chosen to depend on Google for their traffic doesn't change the fact that Google can do what they want with their rankings, regardless of their market size. They are not obligated to list you, me or anyone else in their search engine.

The analogy is television. We are independent producers of programming who choose to sell on a deferred royalty basis. You think I can set up a new network and just show all the NBC, ABC, CBS programming on my network while paying no fee?

No you can't, unless like you, you allowed them to show your content for free. You are certainly able to request Google pay you or not show your content, but I am guessing they would just eliminate you from their search engine, as they would eliminate anyone else who asked.

Google produces NOTHING. ALL their profit come from our product. They're not even like TV guide - even they produce some original content like those crossword puzzles :)

That is not true.. Google has their hands in a lot of things and some of them even produce content... Not terribly relevant if Google can do what they want with their search engine though. I think the first question anyone has to defend in court is if they didn't like what Google was doing with their web pages, how come they didn't make use of the tools to stop Google from doing it?

Trying to prove in court that you are somehow deserving of spot 8 instead of spot 28 is not likely to be fruitful.

[Dayo_UK]

Reseller - lol you know.

Matt has been hijacked - and you also know we should not out them here.

[AlexK]

just cant believe what I am seeing

OK - I saw the original post, and got the link. The missing links came up when I removed the "browser=Opera" part of the link.

I cannot understand what I was seeing!