My site has been First Now vanished from Google

My site has been the first of its kind, I drop off Google

[sabine7777]

For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google. My site has been the FIRST of its kind and is in all the natural search results on the first spot. I'm just a small business, but since spet of 2004 I have been vanishing off of Google every 6 weeks or so--recently it has been more often and for longer periods. Does Google discriminate against Older sites? Are they doing it so that we will advertise with them? Any help, advice, comment from a desperate single mother of 4!

[zafile]

"Please Google dont be to arrogant to fix your problems."

I don't know your niche.

However, the niche I constantly monitor seems to get better every hour.

Number of total results are increasing and the relevance improving.

Yesterday, one particular phrase returned about 13,300,000 results. I just checked and the number is 14,900,000.

This increase has caused an interesting shift in the ranking of certain Web sites. I've seen some spammers with duplicate sites go down in SERPs.

Nevertheless, I'm still waiting for a major shake up in the Top 20 - Top 30.

Things are looking pretty good.

Congratulations Google on your 7th anniversary!

And thanks for bringing hope after many months of wait.

[edited by: zafile at 9:14 am (utc) on Oct. 1, 2005]

[Dayo_UK]

zafile

It effects every niche.

OK the serps might be good for the terms you are watching - but think about all the quality sites that arent there because of the Google Canonical url bug.

Dayo

[coosblues]

>>Now, I've lost rankings on every page except my index page - I have one legit site above me, and the other 3 link to ME<<

Yes, it very unhappily happened the night of my birthday of all days. I just for fun even googled myself a bit ago and have a hard time finding myself (a rather unusual name) when even it was number 1 before or near Sept 22. Traffic from Google has dropped nearly 2/3, but I really don't know why the index page was only mildly knoced down 3 places.

Search: 3,127,123 results (just up over 1 million results within the past 48 hours)
Number 1: Deserves to be there (authority)
Number 2: Links to me, has 4 backlinks 2 directories deep.
Number 3: Links to me, has 8 backlinks 3 directories deep.
Number 4: Deserves the spot (authority)
Number 5: My site (99 backlinks on this page)

All inner pages which consist of nearly 800 pages just vanished. I quit looking. Happy Birthday Google.

I'll plug on - too early to change a thing.

[mikeD]

I understand from GoogleGuy and from "Google Spam Recognition Guide for Raters" that it isnīt the affiliate marketing that they are targetting, but Thin Affiliates.

I can see the reason behind this, but they seem to be hitting everyone just incase. I dont think Google or anyone has the technical know how to just delete thin affiliate sites without effecting anyone who has an affiliate link.

[pescatore]

what is a thin affiliate site?

[mikeD]

i assume its a site with mainly affiliate content.

at a guess

[diddlydazz]

Yesterday, one particular phrase returned about 13,300,000 results. I just checked and the number is 14,900,000

this is just that you are hitting different data centers

google balances the load by splitting its users between their different DCs

to be able to see if anything is *really* happening you should be checking the data centers and comparing the data.

here are some DCs

216.239.37.104
216.239.37.105
216.239.37.106
216.239.37.107
216.239.37.147
216.239.37.99
216.239.39.104
216.239.39.106
216.239.39.107
216.239.39.99
216.239.53.104
216.239.53.106
216.239.53.107
216.239.53.99
216.239.57.104
216.239.57.105
216.239.57.106
216.239.57.107
216.239.57.147
216.239.57.98
216.239.57.99
216.239.59.104
216.239.53.99
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.105
216.239.59.106
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
216.239.63.104
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.105
64.233.161.107
64.233.161.147
64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.107
66.102.11.99
66.102.11.104
66.102.11.106
66.102.11.107
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.106
66.102.7.107
66.102.7.147
66.102.9.104
66.102.9.107

IMHO this is not an update, just filters coming into play and maybe some tweaking.

dazz

<added>not far away from an update though judging by some movement</added>

[texasville]

I agree with Dazz. Not an update. Yet. But from what I have been reading, these symptoms always occur just before a big update.
Particularly pages suddenly reappearing(long since gone from your site).
Pages with old cache dates.
Sudden avalanche of scraper sites reappearing.
Inshort, all the things people have been talking about. If you google google update, you can find lots of articles all describing these same scenarios just before a major update.

[reseller]

pescatore

>>what is a thin affiliate site?<<

A Thin Affiliate is a handsome man whos body weight doesnīt exceed 78 kg, or a gorgeous women whos body weight doesnīt exceed 55 Kg :-)

Ok. Here is the serious stuff, in accordance with the bible of "Spam Recognition Guide for Raters"

Thin affiliates are sites that usher people to a number of Affiliate programs, earning a commission for doing so, while providing little or no value-added content or service to the user.

[europeforvisitors]

1) Google does not penalize ads or affiliate links.

2) Yahoo and MSN do not filter sites that run AdSense ads.

If you seem to be having problems because of affiliate links, it isn't because of the affiliate links per se, but because you don't have enough real content to go with those affiliate links. (See GoogleGuy's remarks about "thin affiliates" and "added value.")

If you seem to be having problems because of AdSense ads, it's because of some other factor (e.g., too little real content or site characteristics that trigger an algorithmic filter or manual review).

If you're still convinced that affiliate links or AdSense ads are the sole source of your ranking problems, then please include the URL of an affected site in your profile so the rest of us can take a look. Otherwise, we'll continue to be skeptical, because we can summon up any number of examples that contradict your hypothesis.

[linkjack]

europeforvisitors is that your picture at the top of your site?

[np2003]

Google to be renamed to Altavista:dead soon.

POp Quiz: Why did Larry Page, one of the Google founders filed to sell 1million GOOGLE shares this week?

Answer: He knows whats coming: a broken engine.

[np2003]

I see that a lot of sites being dropped recently are long established "authority" sites.

Mine was the same, its been up for 5yrs on Google, top in its terms for virtually all its keywords and note: Our site is entirely free with no adsense ads.

[edited by: np2003 at 4:49 pm (utc) on Oct. 1, 2005]

[linkjack]

POp Quiz: Why did Larry Page, one of the Google founders filed to sell 1million GOOGLE shares this week?

Because he needed cash to pay for his brand new collection of Ferrari F50's

I bet you many of the bigmouths who helped googleguy enrich larry page are now frying hamburgers at burger king.

[zafile]

"Google to be renamed to Altavista: dead soon."

I doubt it.

By looking at the performance of the new infrastructure announced by GoogleGuy a few weeks/months ago at [webmasterworld.com...] and [webmasterworld.com...] , I think Google is getting farther away from Altavista's death path.

It's too bad some Webmasters didn't clean up their act during Summer 2005.

It's to bad they waited until Matt Cutts "officially" announced at [mattcutts.com...] Google's approach to spam.

It's too bad they're still waiting for a miracle to happen.

[edited by: zafile at 5:07 pm (utc) on Oct. 1, 2005]

[Janiss]

I just want to mention (remind people) that whatever is affecting some webmasters here is affecting a lot of searches too. I've had to stop using Google to search for things because it's not coming up with relevant results for the topics I search for. I'm primarily using Yahoo, and have been getting much better results. In fact, it's gotten to the point where if my site drops in the Google serps, I use that as a gauge of Google's relevancy in my searches in general and act accordingly.

[Dayo_UK]

Grrrr - zafile

Why do people even defend Google - there is a bug.

Fine if your site is doing well at the moment - it might not in the future when it is hit by this bug or another bug that is in the Google system.

When I rank well I never post saying - ohh webmasters should not complain because I know that it can turn around and haunt me.

It is a bug - end of.

Read SEO boards - not just this one and understand what the bug is. It does not effect everyone but be careful when you post things like that.

Sorry - just - please read and research the bug - anyone who has would never comment like that.

Best

Dayo

[linkjack]

zafile thanks for those links!

Matt Cutts is now officially telling everyone what they should or should not publish on their sites! Google is even running a spam campaign to alert webmasters that they will be banned if they don't abide by what Google's algorithm is capable of understanding!

Isn't that exciting!

Google is not adapting to the web anymore, the web must adapt to Google!

Which means? Altavista, here comes Google!

Too bad Google didn't clean up their act in the summer of 2003.

[europeforvisitors]

Matt Cutts is now officially telling everyone what they should or should not publish on their sites!

Nope, Google is merely telling people what they need to fix if they want free traffic from Google. That's perfectly legitimate. Google gets to decide what it considers to be worthy of links, just as you do.

[FattyB]

Yip, well nothing wrong with guidelines.

What gets me regards the current 'non-update' is that we appear to have been shafted for following them. Content, organic incoming links etc.

Search traffic still in freefall from what I can see, despite a rally earlier in week...though I think that was from external site links and not search now that I look at it.

Lowest traffic level since May at the moment and going lower. Even Alexa shows us in freefall from top 2000 out of top 10K....looks like a ski-slope /-: Worst ever listing on that since about 6 months after launched the site.

[edited by: FattyB at 5:22 pm (utc) on Oct. 1, 2005]