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Simply pathetic.
Anyway, somebody with a lot more energy and political savvy than me would have to be the goto guy/gal to start it - tho I would be happy to contribute - so I'll leave it to them to start a thread.
Do think its overdue.
you think Google isn't vulnerable to litigation on a whole ton of restraint of trade issues?
If they were, I'm confident the "class action" ambulance chasing law firms would have been lobbing lawsuit after lawsuit at them.
As dissatisfied as I am with the state of Google's serps right now, the fact is they are not preventing ANYONE (including myself) from making a profit. The fact that so many have been riding the google gravy train without a single thought of diversifying their traffic doesn't make google responsible when their business goes belly up when google's algo crashes and burns.
Sure, (most of us) create unique content, and try to play by the rules, but we haven't been paying google a dime for all the free traffic (deserving as it may have been). If I created a site to organize and index all the information I could about purple furry widgets, and your site about purple furry widgets had been number one on my site for years (until I decided to use a different set of criteria for determining the best sources of info about purple furry widgets), then dropped off my site - Am I "restraining your trade" because I no longer think your site deserves to be featured? After all, it's just my opinion, and I'm not preventing anyone from reaching your site, am I?
I personally think this will all shake out in the next 3-6 months. If not, then (eventually) the public (perhaps goaded by the press) will begin to realize that google's search quality has taken a header, and we'll all be whining about the next evil search engine that owes us a living....
When a corporation that controls the majority of the market acts in an arbitrary and predatory manner restricting the trade of those businesses operating in the marketplace they are on dangerous ground.
We get NOTHING free from Google. Google's whole business is living off the sweat of honest webmasters and reselling our work in the form of search engine results.
If anyone is riding the gravy train its Google, p¦mping our work for zero cost to them.
The analogy is television. We are independent producers of programming who choose to sell on a deferred royalty basis. You think I can set up a new network and just show all the NBC, ABC, CBS programming on my network while paying no fee?
Google produces NOTHING. ALL their profit come from our product. They're not even like TV guide - even they produce some original content like those crossword puzzles :)
EFV
I think you would be amazed, really and truly amazed if you knew what went on. Google have always favored the big spenders. You think the little guys get treated equally?
I have four words to say to Google..
'minimum cost per click'.
And you can divide webmasters into those who think it was always the same for the big guys and the little guys, and those who think it wasn't.
:)
I don´t see much movements on the DCs this morning. Though I see that there are still few sets of different results.
If we have arrived now again to the usual everflux which use to follow an update, then we might asked ourselves; what happened between 22nd Sept. 2005 and today?
Was it just introduction of few filters?
Or was it an "unannounced" Update?
We need to answer that inorder to move on with our "webmaster lives" ;-)
EFV....You think the little guys get treated equally?
I'd say we're treated pretty well, to judge from the search results for the keywords and keyphrases that I track.
C´mon go to bed. Even old men like us need some sleep ;-)
I´m not going to announce anymore my lovely reseller friendly Dcs.
Because, it seems that our friends at the plex watch and read this thread.
Whenever I announce my favorite Dcs, those Google engineers hurry and change them at once (:(
So here is the deal. If Google engineers leave my DCs in peace, then I´m NOT going to say anymore that its a bad developement if Google:
- remove original contents sites from the serps and instead keeps the duplicates
- cover the serps with supplemental results
- kill sites because of incompetence in resolving canonical issues
- spam sites on top of the serps
- millions of url only in the index
- decline in serps quality
- Mr. Eric Schmidt announcing that "His" is 3 times bigger than Yahoo´s.
- etc.. etc...
Now, Google engineers.. do we have a deal? ;-)
I would much rather Google sort out the problem themselves though.
As Steveb said in an earlier thread - Google is and has been our friend - shame they are ill at the moment - Google we want to help you :)
- media sensationalism could perhaps do something with a thread like this from the foremost internet webmasters :)
- maybe they have not much going on and want to be google bashers.
I'm going to send off a few emails about the qualty of serps and perhaps enlighten the ignorant.
Maybe a new thread is in order
"Welcome all media producers and reviewing editors"
Is google all it seems....
You missed this bit from my post:-
"I would much rather Google sort out the problem themselves though."
I dont know - I have seen some posts by Mods who really have no idea what is happening at Google and are also a bit fed up with it all.
What I am seeing is clearly a bug - no question in my mind - problem is the bug has been in place for 6-7 months - and Google have made a few attempts at a fix and unfortunately none have worked so far - or have worked but Google did not like the side effects.
I also agree that the supplemental index is cr@p - why would I want to see that Google indexed a page over a year ago that no longer exists on the website.
All search engines should be regulated by the government and a set of guidelines to be followed for what is required to rank, if this doesn't work, government needs to take over completely! IMO
Yeah, that's what we need - government control. Think FEMA.
... REPLACING THEM BY AN EU SEARCH ENGINE.
Who should implement and run that engine ... the Eurocrats? Better not.
On the other hand, everybody is free to build an own engine ... anywhere, even in Europe. Just go ahead.
All search engines should be regulated by the government and a set of guidelines to be followed for what is required to rank, if this doesn't work, government needs to take over completely!
Yes, probably ... ahh, wait: which government? The government of Burkina Faso? of Libya? of China? of the Bahama Islands? Or the U.S.? Probably not a good idea.
I would favour the government of Jamaica, or Tonga ...
Regards,
R.
I really hate my government. So corrupt
It will happen, multiple countries come together to form a worldwide internet policy! IMO
Remember when everyone thought the parasite problem was out of control, and yet unfixable?
Now spyware cleaners are standard, and any neighbor of mine who should be unfortunate enough to catch one anyway just gets their hosts file altered so that attempts to visit popular file sharing program sites end up at localhost. This ensures I don't spend *every* waking hour cleaning up after their teenagers.
While I'm at it, it would be no trouble to ban Google in a similar fashion and set the homepage to Dogpile. Googles ruinous effect on the economics of small businessess is worse than any parasite, and quite political in effect.
You could campaign for political action, and, considering the vested interests in controlling the flow of information, you'd probably succeed faster than you'd think - but I don't think the result would be any happier, plus Google would look like the martyrs.
We are mostly not political experts, but we are technical experts. Technical experts who have been picked on, pushed around then ripped off. What do we do? We react to the latest disaster all the time by begging and pleading and running round like headless chickens. This IMO is the wrong approach.
Whoever posted that Google is now like a disasterously patched up mainframe had it about right.
Well I think its time we inflicted a disaster or two ourselves - by changing the hosts file on every computer we legitimately get our paws on, so that it cannot see Google.
[edited by: AlexMiles at 11:44 am (utc) on Oct. 4, 2005]
Google Yahoo and MSN is nothing else then another face of the American imperialismMade me laugh. Buy some stock.
pescatore also wrote on Sept 9 (before the update) ...
"Sept is my best month ever"If the update is in your favor next month what will become of your political self and your new Goal in Life?
here too ,both adsense & affiliates
I personally would rather see the government take control of the internet instead of all these greedy search engines!More government = less freedom.
There speaks someone who never paid twice the price for an Adword because of his nationality.
>More government = less freedom.
Actually, since all government is effectively middle management for corporations, there isn't much difference.
The only thing that increases freedom is self-reliance and the nerve to practice it.
