Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
so Rita sounds good.
Its a cease fire now, where Google engineers are doing some "damage Assessment" before the launch of the next wave of carpet bombing. The same happened during Allegra and Bourbon.
I see you also relaxing with Rita Garbo. Or was it Rita Hayworth ;-)
Next few days you migt discover that you are dealing with nothing less than The Terminator himself.
Enjoy the cease fire ;-)
-- T
you think that the updated DCs will go back to what we saw yesterday?
edit: it doesn't appear as a rollback tho, there are more results on the updated DCs today than there was yesterday and than are on www now.
>>you think that the updated DCs will go back to what we saw yesterday? <<
Not at all. Take a look at one of the Dcs I posted and compare its serps to the one you posted, and you shall see the difference. I´m gonna sticky you a keyphrases to save your time. You may wish to pay a special attention to first 10 results ;-)
66.102.9.104 stargeek DC
216.239.59.104 reseller Dc
edit: OK now i'm seeing 3 different data sets on www, your dc, and mine.
>>edit: OK now i'm seeing 3 different data sets on www, your dc, and mine. <<
Agreed.
Therefor awaiting for the emerge of The Terminator ;-)
agreed, and i should correct myself because the dc you are seeing on "www" varies by location I believe.
Thanks but No way ;)
The Reseller update is perhaps more appropriate.
Although if G are after affiliate sites then perhaps that is not the correct term :(
Let GG name it then at least we know it is official :)
Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt said in a phone interview with CNET News.com (Published: September 26, 2005):
"We're announcing tonight that in terms of unduplicated pages our index is now three times larger than any other search engine," he said, without saying how many pages are in the index."
What did he mean by; in terms of unduplicated pages?
Then, Google, you should be embarrassed. Forcing people to go to the last page to click a link to bring up your "real" search results is embarrassing to say the least.
Then, to state the obvious, no Google employee has earned the right to say "unduplicated pages". Google has not demonstrated *any* ability to know what those two words mean.
Is that the way google trying to proof that they have the largest index? Cary on Google...Keep on blowing the balloon until it booms......and then RIP.
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(On the last page, you may have to click the "repeat the search with the omitted results included" link to see all the results.)
Not all the results but the most you can see is 1000.
Are we in the beginning of a new google update? Or is this the middle or end?
How long will this update last for?
Please Advise. I have not been kept up to speed on how google now updates their index.
Thanks in advance for your response.
I keep asking myself, who cares who has the bigger index? I hate to say it but saying "Yahoo it" or "MSN it" doesn't have the same ring as "Google it". The only people that care IMHO who has the bigger index is the SE's themselves. Is all of this index count BS meant to drive stocks up or what?
Possibly. It should be the QUALITY of the results, not the quantity.
I just wish Google would remember how they became successful and at least try and bolster their support structure for webmasters.
The general public won't stop using Google even if the results get horrible because Google is so implanted into everyone's psyche... heck my grandmother that thinks her computer is haunted knows to use Google. Hmmm, were is Stone Phillips phone number :)
"We're announcing tonight that in terms of unduplicated pages our index is now three times larger than any other search engine," he said, without saying how many pages are in the index."
That pretty much confirms that this "update" is not an algo change but, as previously noted in this thread, the inclusion or reinclusion in the index of many scrapers, near-duplicates, old redirects, deleted pages, URL-only listings, supplemental results, and other junk URLs.
All of them extremely information-rich and useful, I'm sure.
That pretty much confirms that this "update" is not an algo change but, as previously noted in this thread, the inclusion or reinclusion in the index of many scrapers, near-duplicates, old redirects, deleted pages, URL-only listings, supplemental results, and other junk URLs.
Are you suggesting that the update (if it is an update) is complete? That doesn't appear to be the case, to judge from the minute-to-minute bouncing that I'm seeing for several competitive keywords and keyphrases.
It never is complete...especially in the begining of an update cycle. They're always fine tunning not to harm innocent sites.
Maybe we are just looking at the reason(s) why THIS update hasn't been recognized yet as an update.
It will be embarrassing for Google to say that there is an update underway to clean the index of duplicates while Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt announcing at the same time that Google ALREADY in terms of unduplicated pages is now three times larger than any other search engine.
Having said that, nothing done or said have dismissed the possibility of algo changes during this update or dismissed the possibility that they are also targetting sites/pages related to affiliate marketing among other things etc..
Lets wait and see what will happen during the next phase of this update ;-)
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And neither GoogleGuy or Matt Cutts said anything definitive about this update yet.
Having said that, we should keep in mind that those two kind gentlemen are both employed by Google and we should expect that they are there to serve the interest of Google as commercial organization.
Moreover, neither GoogleGuy or Matt Cutts is expected to say anything that contradict what Google Chief Executive Eric Schmidt say.
Therefor the killing silence of GoogleGuy and Matt Cutts!
[edited by: reseller at 6:25 am (utc) on Sep. 28, 2005]
That's how I started. There were thousands of content based sites in Webseed; many of them high ranking in PR and SERPS. Then the penalty came and the bottom fell out.
What Google decided it didn't like was Webseed's habit of linking "related" results from their network in the footer. What you had was thousands of sites interlinked artificially by Webseed. At first, it worked great - new sites got links from established domains and within a month or so were indexed in Google and off to the races. Webseed shared advertising revenue with the writers - sort of, but that's another story.
Anyway, somewhere along the line, Google decided that Webseed was little more than a link farm and thousands of innocent writers were left in the dust. Webseed folded. Writers with no HTML experience either left the web...or found a new web host and struggled to learn HTML. Like me.
I joined WebmasterWorld and learned what I needed to get by. I bought a domain intending to have the best site in my field and to work my way up to the top of very competitive SERPS - and I made it. I provided original content for hundreds of projects and occupied the top of the tree for the past three years. Now I'm in the toilet.
Why am I feeling deja vu? Because in my haste to put up pages, I used a simple navigation system...home page, description of the separate sections, plus links to "featured" articles; sitemap, a simple listing of all pages with complete urls; and then separate category indexes, almost like subdomains, to allow me to offer a thumbnail pic and description of the various projects available on my site. And on individual pages, I gave a hand selected (not dynamic) list of "related" pages on my own site that readers might find interesting. I should have learned from Webseed's mistake!
For months now I've been feeling disheartened...because the site that dominates the SERPS for my search terms is a directory...all it provides is links to other pages on other sites. Those links are buried in the page under the heading "Free Widget Plans" or whatever...below the listings for Amazon books, with text description of the book about widget plans that is relevant to many other affiliate offerings but only incidentally to the "content" of the page itself. If you can call links to pages on another site your "content."
This is NOT a scraper site. Links are hand selected and do have some relevance. But still - they are just links, never mind that this site is in DMOZ as a "directory" and is obviously regarded by Google as the world expert in my field. Bah...
Here's the conundrum for me: this site is doing fine and dandy, thank you, because none of the scraper sites bother to scrape a directory that is little more than links itself. What scraper sites hunt for is sites like mine...those with original, valid content that until now were regarded with some respect in Google.
Not any more. Apparently, because I have linked to my own pages with snippet keyword phrases that make sense to readers, I'm now a "spam" site that is worthy of nothing more than supplemental index.
I haven't returned a reciprocal link for ages. I get natural links and think that should speak for itself.
I was proud of my site and what I had accomplished. This update makes me ill. I'm now being outclassed in a lot of search terms by Amazon book ads. So much for Google's slimmed down index...I'm sure that readers looking for solid information on the net are going to be thrilled with links to books they can buy at their local Chapters.
