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7:18 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is related to most of the websites out there. Why is it the PR of reciprocal link page is 0 while the home page has a PR of 6 or 7? Hows it possible? What it tells you? They are not honest in doing the link exchange as I checked the page in google cache and it was never cached! Also if we do link exchange with such websites with PR 0 link page, is it gonna help me or not.
Are there any more suggestions while doing the link exchange with websites...
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10:00 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi izahmad,

Unfortunately there is no easy answer to your question as there are 2 main scenarios:

1. The links page you saw may have been uploaded recently and may have not received a PR on google toolbar yet, although it DOES have one for google.

2. The links page you saw may be a very deep link with many outgoing (or even unrelated) links, so its PR has gone to real 0 by google.

IF the links page has not been cached by google, then it's not indexed yet (or never gonna be as well) OR it's banned from google.

Generally I suggest you to be very careful with reciprocal link exchange offers. Although some of them do offer added-value, the majority are worthless or even dangerous for your G rankings.

When exchanging links keep in mind that the page is indexed/cached by G indeed, the links are not too many (I consider 50 links as the upper limit), the links are legitimate and relevant with your industry, the links page is preferably linked from the home.

Please note that there are still many honest webmasters that are interested in exchanging links both for google benefits as well as their visitor's experience. Just be a little careful...

I wish you best of luck.

10:17 pm on May 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your answer. Yea they can be some of many reasons but the PR of the whole domain (home page) should drop if there are too many outgoing links, not only the links pages...also the websites are there for years but still the PR of link page is zero...its really hard to track down what they are doing....
yea i know that one has to be really careful with such websites...
12:02 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My question is..
Why should an interior page on a site that is probably purely dedicated to outbound links ... (except for the internal site navigation that should be represented there and has already been factored) ... have any type of PageRank? ..

It's a long standing tradition to offer your site "visitors" (HUMAN BEINGS) additional resources that will enhance their experience...you can take the short road and link out to valuable resources or you take the hard road and build out your own custom, unique content that feeds this need for "more information"..from within your site...

I think it is a courtesy to link out to other resources that will compliment a site and benefit the human visitors..

If you are looking to acquire a link on a page with no PR ... then look at the site as a whole and try to determine if acquiring a link from this interior page will actually deliver targeted traffic to your site...

Navigate the site yourself as a visitor and see if links and resources lead to the page you want to request a link to be posted on...if it does then this would be a good quality link...if not then you would just be lingering there...

Don't get to hung up on PR and very few, if any, webmasters/site owners will offer outbound links from their higher PR pages without some sort of financial incentive...(I can think of one highly trafficked network that charges $6K per month to acquire a hard wired link from their high traffic network of 160 sites...and the also insist on a revenue sharing relationship as well)...

12:13 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Why should an interior page on a site that is probably purely dedicated to outbound links...

Isn't that the basic definition of a directory? So, using this theory, the Y directory and ODP should not have PR, because they are purely dedicated to outbound links, and offer no unique information on a subject by themselves.

I don't think this is exactly the way it works... My understanding is PR is ALL about links, coming in, internal, and where they go externally.

I think you should look much more at the quality of the oubound links site-wide, and also the actual topic of the specific page and the topic of the pages it links to. In addition to some of the other 'quality' factors already listed.

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12:29 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why should an interior page on a site that is probably purely dedicated to outbound links ... (except for the internal site navigation that should be represented there and has already been factored) ... have any type of PageRank? ..

Because this is exactly the way PageRank works according to Google, as it passes from page to page. So - simply stated - if pageB (that contains purely links) is linked from pageA then PageRank IS passed from pageA to pageB; therefore pageB has PageRank indeed.

2:09 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I always check if the page is in the cache, I also note if the page has links to it that i can find from the root index page.

Alot of people are playing link games to get a one way link ...

Its ironic i clearly state that i will consider links back to my site when i consider where to place the link back to their site, but some people still want to play games. I would be more than happy to give them a honest one way link (the link back is optional).

... One person even changed his link partner page then used the same email database to request links to his site sending the people he delinked a new link request ... needless to say i moved the high quality link i gave him, to an unindexed page / and his PR fell like a rock.

I have no problem linking to a good resource when the site have a no PR or very low PR and nearly no traffic ... this policy has served me well because sites i help get off the ground tend to be honest link partners in the long run.

2:21 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have no problem linking to a good resource when the site have a no PR or very low PR and nearly no traffic ... this policy has served me well because sites i help get off the ground tend to be honest link partners in the long run.

I also follow this philosophy. I evaluate a link partner based on their sites relevancy to mine. I do not link to off topic sites. If they have page rank zero, it is usually because the pages are new and this does not bother me. If they are grey bar, I do take a deeper look to see if I think they might be penalized. I do not want to link to bad neighborhoods.

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There are many possibilities that a page from a high PR site is PR0. I always try the following steps:

1. Determine if the site owner is cheating. Check his robots.txt, link page source code and google cache, etc.

2. If yes, then delete his link request. If not then

3. Check why his link page does not have any PR. If it's new, then determine if his link page will get some PR until next update.

4. If yes, then link back.

4:35 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well the point of links for a new website is that the spider gets to your site to index it...if the page has PR 0 or is not in cache, then there is no point of doing link exchange..how can you depend on the pages who are also dependant on others to get indexed OR they are banned.....there are lot of old websites having PR 6-7 but still their link pages have PR 0. My question is, will a link in such page gonna help me out?
5:59 am on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Well the point of links for a new website is that the spider gets to your site to index it

I am old school the point of links is for visitors who you do not have a service for to find your site useful in finding everything related to your service, even if you send them to somebody else.

Its about sharing visitors -- both ways -- search engines tend to like this type of exchange as well.

For SEO i think people need to consider the future or the lifetime they can earn money off of the content they create. Most of my pages are created to earn money for 6 months or more. its hard and only about 30% pays off. Out of 4 or 5 links to poor sites one may pay off its enough to keep me in the game (and they said i didn't know how to be humble).

4:10 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes I used to think in the same way but recently due to growing popularity for link building, the concept of links has been changed....Now they are only meant to get the PR and higher ranking in SERs instead of providing quality content or more information which people cant find on other websites....
7:05 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Izahmad,

Just avaoid linkexchange with such site, who purely link for PR only, link from such site never help your site in return.