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alphacooler

6:40 am on May 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Any truth to this? Let me explain a hypothetical. Say you have sites A, B, C all with related content, however very unique in their own regards. Due to their close similarities in theme you procure a good number of links from existing link partners. So site A is established and you have 300 solid backlinks. Now you create site B and get many of the same sites linking to you('many' meaning upwards of 50-70%). Sites A,B,C are on the same IP. Does G penalize this sort of thing? I.e. multiple sites on same IP that get external links from the same sites.

I've never heard of any penalty like this, but it would seem that this might trigger some sort of spam filter, or at least discount links to very little value. Any ideas? Much appreciated.

alphacooler

3:37 pm on May 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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bump?

artdog

3:48 pm on May 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Heard and it makes sense that if your links pages have a lot of the same links they look like link farm material and could be penalized.

nuevojefe

5:00 pm on May 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You'll hear it go either way. Some people do much the same with no problems, others lose a whole network.

1. Get links outside your network first.
2. Slowly add some of the similar links.
3. Hopefully your sites aren't all built with the exact same url structure and template.

Mostly you would just not have all the sites ranking for the same terms, google would choose the best if they thought the sites were affiliated. Worse scenarios are possible though.

cabbie

5:26 pm on May 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what Nuevojefe said.
IP has nothing to do with it.Its all about structure.

alphacooler

1:57 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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nuevojefe,

You mention that G would not rank my sites for the same term...well these sites are optimized for very unique terms that are NOT the same...just tangentially related. Does this make a difference?

window

5:27 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have same sites as mentioned by alphacooler, interlinked with each other at same IP. I think because of this problem only... my site is not crawling from last 3 to 4 months.
May be this is a penalty :(

experienced

5:33 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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my sites was hosted on the same iP WITH different site structure but from the same industry with no intra linking. I got my full network gone. So i think this is not a good idea to host all sites on the same IP or you can take a chance. But ther is no retake. Once Hit you gone.

Exp..

Ramani

5:42 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I wonder whether my question can be posted under this topic, yet the question is my client has good offline brand value,it prompted him to venture into online presence with four domains using his brand name, like..abcd.com, ab-cd.com, abc.net. all the four belong to different IPs. But the catch is all the three sites has similar content and links in all the pages. last week i observed that ab-cd.com is not found in the google index. My question is, is this Google penalization?

Ramani

alphacooler

6:20 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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experienced,

So your sites don't have the same links coming in to them and you still got dropped? The big question, were your sites already doing well in teh serps? We really need to figure this out...It is so much more cost effective(and easier) to get a reseller account or a shared account that allows multiple domains. But if Gbot is saying "these sites are all similar theme and are on the same account(and perhaps whois checks too)....most likely this guy is spamming of some sort"...we really need to know. This will really change the way I host my accounts and run my sites. If anyone else has experience with this, chime in then we could get some more empirical evidence and perhaps see if we can't find some correlation. I would be VERY suprised if G doesn't take into account the number of similar (though entirely unique) sites you have into their ranking scheme.

Ramani

6:32 am on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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alphacooler,

Two things about these sites- First, none of them are into the serps, they have a mere online presence, no visibility. Second, they have same inbound and out bound links. The sites started getting crawled very recently, I feel G bot caught these after it started regular crawls.

Ramani

alphacooler

4:10 pm on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If we could get some gurus to answer that would be so very helpful...it sounds like we are a bunch of newbs here in need of some more senior members. Thanks.

nuevojefe

7:11 pm on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you really are talking about only 3 sites, I'd say in this instance it's worth the extra $10/mo for hosting on seperate IPs AND spending the extra time getting different links for them. When possible, get links from seperate pages on any sites that link to more than one of your site.

alphacooler

10:34 pm on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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nuevojefe,

it's more like 5-7 sites. Still think it is worth the different ip's? I'm gonna talk to my host and see how much they charge to move my pages to different c-blocks. Anyone else have any ideas on the subject?

moehits

11:17 pm on May 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One of the main problems I see with networks like these is not that complex, the links pages are exact duplicates of each other in many cases.

They seem to get dropped like any other duplicate pages.

alphacooler

7:10 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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So is if I have 7 sites, I really don't want to pay the $15/mo for each to have separate IP's. . .but I would feel so much safer knowing that G could have no way of knowing that I own all 7 sites. Any solutions? Thanks so much everyone.

SEOPTI

7:29 pm on May 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google=Penalty

experienced

6:10 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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alphacooler...

Sites were doing excellent over the Google & yahoo and msn. But once i got hit my 1st site within 3 month i got all of my 15 sites gone. The same way... 1st supplemental, then urls, then less # of urls and then no number of url and then blank.

This is really surprizing for me when i had the different structure for all of my sites, were not linking, were doing well & ranking high, then what wrong google found in sites. also my sites was having sufficient amount of content anf few links on a single page. All the domains belongs to different clients.

Too... Much...

Exp...

experienced

6:22 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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why dont google start their own promotion unit & promote their own sites on google itself. because in the current situation and rules google use to use, one day all sites would be removed from the G data base. Or Google will loose the prestige they have got in past couple of years.

guitaristinus

11:38 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would feel so much safer knowing that G could have no way of knowing that I own all 7 sites

Sounds like you got something to hide ;)

Marval

12:23 pm on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately Google is becoming its own registrar so it will have pretty good access to the whois database so I dont think you will be able to hide owning multiple sites - especially with the recent privacy removals and the trend to not allow hiding your registration info.

As far as the content and linking question - I can show you examples of many that do this with no problem whatsoever - you can also do a search here to find examples of many that think they were penalized for doing it (I dont agree or disagree with their opinions as I dont really know if that was the reason for their problems)
I also know people that are paranoid enough about it that they dont just get separate IPs - they get different C blocks or even different hosts to "disguise" their networks - not really sure if Google can get around that but Id be willing to bet if they really wanted to they could.

BTW - if your host wants $15 a month for each additional IP I would be looking for another host

 

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