Risks of using URL auto removal tool?

Can't seem to get replacement page indexed

[yump]

Decided to change the names of a couple of (non-crucial) pages on my website, so used the auto removal tool to get rid of the originals, using the meta robots disallow etc.
These pages were www.site.com/directory/blue_widgets_togo.htm and www.site.com/directory/green_widgets_togo.htm
They got removed quickly.

Changed names to blue_widgets.htm and green_widgets.htm

They have the same content as the originals, title etc.

Can't seem to get them indexed at all.
Is it likely the removal tool hasn't really removed them completely and there is some sort of duplicate content monitor in operation?
Google won't answer of course.
Any help appreciated!

[David Bruning]

If I was you I would place a temporary direct link to each of those pages from your most frequently spidered pages.

It's also possible Google has those pages on it's list of pages to index and just hasn't gotten to them yet.

[sailorjwd]

I did the same thing to about 20 pages (during last two months), using the NOINDEX meta tag. The new pages had several internal links pointing to them and they got picked up within 3 days.

Although I did change the content a bit on most of them - don't think that matters.

[walkman]

I did a noindex /robots ban /rewrite ban for about 10 days, off and on. Now I get "no info found for url:..."

all my old urls are now 404 (too many to redirect), but hopefully G will pick the new ones on the next visit

[yump]

Have had a few links to the new pages for a couple of months, which are exactly the same links as pointed to the old ones. All the other pages in the directory are getting indexed quite often (last one was back end of April).

Perhaps its just a case of waiting as the indexing and results seem to have been a bit odd recently.

Just slightly worried that some 'unwritten' rule has been transgressed.

[Reid]

Have had a few links to the new pages for a couple of months, which are exactly the same links as pointed to the old ones.

It might be id'ing the removed page with those links, I would alter the title of at least one link to each page,
that way it's 'not the same link' (maybe thats why it's not being crawled.
or it has to re-cache on of the pages that link to those pages before it will 'find the link'.

[Wizard]

I think it depends on backlinks and perhaps PR of main page, how long will it take for Googlebot to make deep crawl. I did such a big chages in autumn last year on PR 3 site, and it took more than a month.

You can speed it up adding links to pages you want re-crawled on other, high PR and frequently crawled site of yours.

[yump]

>Reid
Thats a very good point about the links and worth a try. Might explain everything. Will post again if I get any conclusions as its quite an interesting thing that's happened (fortunately not incredibly critical).

Wizard
There's never been a problem getting new links indexed off the existing pages though.