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I Got A Page Rank 10 Website

And it only cost $8 and 10 minutes work :=)

   
10:37 am on May 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

Okay, so the title was a little catchy, but it's true. I own a website that has a Google Page Rank of 10 currently.

Yes, obviously it was achieved using blackhat seo, but I was honestly amazed as to just how easy it was to perform this very very simple trick.

It took me about 5 minutes to implement this trick, and cost about $8. And I honestly don't care about getting banned because this is just a throw away domain. Nothing of use is on that domain.

Oh, and if you want to hide the fact that you did this trick, you can alter the trick to give you an instant Page Rank of 9, 8, 7 or 6... it's totally up to you. Obviously my domain is very obvious that the page rank is fake.

Yeap, I got it, a big fat page rank 10 domain…so what…big deal…lol….but it was fun doing it. :=)

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:26 pm (utc) on May 1, 2005]
[edit reason] Edited for specifics. [/edit]

2:50 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Could your site be found in SERPs?
If not, it means that G slowly, slowly get off from the PR tree.
3:16 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Honestly I think that the "old" Google PR system has been dead since 3rd Feb 2005. However, Google is keeping the toolbar and those fancy green bars on the directory just to "Camouflage" its new way in ranking pages on the serps in accordance with Google 2005 "business-spirit".
3:24 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree... I do not think that Google places hardly any weight on Page Rank anymore. I think it is something just to show end users what Google thinks of the sites popularity, but doesn't mean that Google will list it higher in it's results.
3:28 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> I Got A Page Rank 10 Website

Make that a PR10 URL in stead.

Apart from this, nothing to comment on here, except that you guys buying text links should remember to examine the page you buy from, eg. by entering the URL in the Google search box. If what you see on the Google result page (title, snippet, cache) does not look like that you see on the URL itself, that high PR link is most likely worthless.

3:31 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Would this be the technique involving rewriting your htaccess file so your site looks like a PR10 site? If so, thats old news.
3:32 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have a suspicion that Google WANTS webmasters to think that PageRank doesn't matter anymore.

Google has a long history of scaring webmaster into believing what they want them to believe about Google through disinformation campaigns.

3:40 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Pagerank is still important, but I also think it's not nearly as valuable as it once was.

I know a site in one niche that I am fairly sure bought into a run-of-site text links deal (580,000 backlinks from pages of various online newspapers--verified on yahoo)

This guy not only picked up this astronomical number of links but also just gained a PR7 for his homepage and PR6s on most of his other pages.

So far, he's dead in the water for his keywords (except on msn--he's at the top for his keywords which tells me that msn is useless if it is that easy to game).

Why is he dead in the water on google and yahoo? Only time will tell. Perhaps 580,000 backlinks put him in the sandbox. If that's true, he may come out of the sandbox and really begin to dominate the niche. Hopefully, that's not true since the site is simply a marketing tool and is useless to users.

My hope is that google and yahoo have devalued simple PR as a ranking factor.

3:57 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PR is truly bad idea “borrowed” from old IBM’s “CLEVER” project.
580,000 backlinks! It is just terrible! And it is shame for G.

I believe that Yahoo will never go to this direction and Google will stop it too.

4:05 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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<?php 
if (strstr($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], "Googlebot")) {
header("HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently");
header("Location: http://www.google.com/");
exit;
}
else {
header('Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1');
};
?>
<html>
<head>
<title>PR 10 page</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>This page will have a PR of 10, but of course it won't actually <i>rank</i> for anything, so the whole exercise is all rather a waste of time, don't you think?</p>
</body>
</html>
4:07 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I am not sure if the mods will allow me to post the specifics on how to perform this trick?

Mods...let me know please.

4:07 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I own a website that has a Google Page Rank of 10 currently

A wise man once said, "It aint what you got, it's what you do with it, that counts".

The Sex Pistols put it even more succinctly "The only notes that really count are the ones that come in wads!"

Matt

4:21 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JWalters

<I am not sure if the mods will allow me to post the specifics on how to perform this trick?>

Personally I don't wish to see the trick published on the forums. Lets practice what we preach; WHITE HAT SEO/SEM.

Fellow members who wish to know the trick can sticky you, instead.

4:25 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am not sure if the mods will allow me to post the specifics on how to perform this trick?

Encyclo did it, so I'm sure that if your doing it a different way, they won't have a problem with you listing your code either.

Was wondering what you do to make it less than a pr10 in Encyclo's code?

Can this also be done in vb or java instead of php script? I'm wondering because I know of a page where I think they are doing this and try to figure out how to tell for sure. The one thing I do know is that they do not run php on the server.

4:28 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Was wondering what you do to make it less than a pr10 in Encyclo's code?

Redirect to a page that is less than 10.

4:29 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

Once an admin or moderate post on this forum allowing me to post the code to this blackhat seo trick, I will do so and fully explain how it works, and how to change it so that you get a page rank 10, 9, 8, 7...etc.

You'll laugh at just how easy it is.

4:32 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JWalters,

Answer one question - did you do a 301 or 302 redirect like encyclo posted earlier in this thread? Or is it something different or more to it?

4:33 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh, and it is a different method that the method that was posted earlier on page one of this thread.
5:11 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I assume you are the same person who posted the same message on another forum, and spent a whole week ignoring what was said there.

It is no surprise that you have gotten the same answers here. The number is an illusion; it is fake. It cannot help you or your site at all.

5:12 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To Ledfish: all the code I posted does is check the user agent string to see if it contains "Googlebot", and if so, do a 301 permanent redirect to google.com. Otherwise it displays the page. You can implement that in any server-side language: Perl, ASP... Obviously you should use IP addresses rather than user agent strings if you are doing this kind of thing properly.

Claus's message explains why this old trick is sometimes still used - so don't get too blinded by little green bars. The original poster's code may well be different - there are a million variants, but always on the same general theme: tricking the bot into thinking one page is actually another.

5:16 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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g1smd,

Yes, as I clearly stated in this post that it is fake-rank and was obtained using Blackhat SEO... I did no t hide anything from anybody.

5:18 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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encyclo,

You are 100% correct. My method is probably more known, however your method actually sounds more intresting to me, reason being that with your method, normal users can still see the website which is very good.

7:36 pm on May 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The number is an illusion; it is fake. It cannot help you or your site at all.

I don't really think that is why this poster (or indeed anyone who employs this technique) actually does it. It's not supposed to help your site, it's supposed to help your bank balance! Although, indirectly it can help your site as you can convince lesser webmasters to reciprocally link to you at a much faster rate - and if you can fake a PR10 you can fake a backlink too .....

There is no way Google is tricked into thinking you have PR10 - but the "trick" isn't to trick Google, it's to trick other webmasters for obvious reasons.

P.S. No, I don't do it myself. But it seems strange that this thread is getting so much attention when I posted a very similar technique six months ago and it was deleted by mods ..... no prizes for guessing why it's being allowed on this time! ;)

1:33 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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JW. You must be very very clever. Is that the response you were looking for.
1:58 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Lol... not really.

I think there is a misconception here about this.

1.) I KNOW that this method is using Blackhat Seo
2.) I KNOW that it is fake page rank
3.) I KNOW that Google does not really think that my site is worth a PR10.
4.) I KNOW that this trick does not help SERP (or at least that is what I think)
5.) I do NOT plan to sell text links on that fake page rank website. I considered it for a brief moment, but that would be the same thing as fraud (Unless, the webmaster was fully aware of how the site got it's page rank)

Why did I do it then?

Well, simply to test an old blackhat seo trick! That is all! It's a throw away domain with absolutely no use to me, it only cost me $8 and about 10 minutes of my time, so nothing much is invested into this fake page rank site. If it get's banned by Google, then so what.

7:11 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't really think that is why this poster (or indeed anyone who employs this technique) actually does it.

I am sure many unscrupulous PR sellers will create dozens of PR 10 sites out of this crazy trick, only if it was sustainable. The fact that there aren't many such sites selling links from artificial PR10 sites, is evidence enough the algo woks faster than the time they have to market such sites.

7:26 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tested the code on a dummy site and stil PR0
Either google fixed the bug, or it's a crappy one.
8:42 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Tested the code on a dummy site and stil PR0
Either google fixed the bug, or it's a crappy one.

Surely you have to wait for the next pr update to see if it worked.

11:13 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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:)
11:32 am on May 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what you think about <snip>

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 12:12 pm (utc) on May 3, 2005]
[edit reason] we think it is a url drop to a casnio affiliate site... please review tos.. [/edit]

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