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Google Sandbox = Dampening Filter Applied

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2:54 am on Feb 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,

Google Sandbox- I have read this topic so many times in the last two years it hurts.

The "Google Sandbox" as it is called is not Googles way of dumping on your site, keeping your site at bay till Googles happy with you.

Google Sandbox is actually a tool in the Google Adwords Adsense campaigns.

What I see many websites suffering from is "gross misinformation", spewed about by all of the so called "Google Experts"

People just refuse to use common sense when it comes to getting front page rankings on Goolge.com SERP's.
This is apparant by the sudden rise in popularity of text link ad sites as a way to help bolster rankings in the SERPs.

I also se it in many freelance job boards I visit with the webmasters submitting projects to build them 100's of reciprocal or backlinks with so many stipulations it makes me laugh.

I have some bad news for you.

Links WILL NOT get you front page results on Goolge..

What they will get you more often than not is what is known as a dampening filter(Read Google Sandbox" for Google Experts).

What the "Google Experts" forgot to tell you was that Googlebot is an indexing bot which keeps information on every website that it indexes in it's database.

In this "cache" are your pages, and the links from those pages. Google uses this information to determine if you are attempting to influence the search results ranking by participating in practices such as agressive
link building.

Google also has in the database, the amount of time it took the authority sites in each category, to build natural links over the last 7 to 10 years. (Natural Link Building)

So all those sites who go on a link building spree and exceed the averages it took an authority site to build links, will receive a dampening filter for trying to manipulate the SERPs . (Artifical Link Building).

Hopefully this will put the "Google Sandbox" myth to rest and allow people to open their eyes to the real problems of trying to get websites with great content listed in the front page rankings of the search engines.

Clint

11:47 am on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Take any keyword, do heavy linking building on it. Wait for 6-8 months. The site makes it to top 10. It has been the model for most of the sites I did in past 1-2 years. Note during the 8 period time, you do see site jumping places in SERPs. What has been the most benefitial factor of doing this is visitors from Yahoo and MSN.

This site has now-a-days full of fantasy theories that lead to nowhere.

11:56 am on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What's your idea of "heavy link building"?
12:59 pm on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For hitthedeck

"Discouraging other businesses from advertising may precipitate anti-trust actions."
Google is a free service which you would be hard pressed to get a case against in any court of law

"Clearly, "buying links" is here to stay."

Waste your money however you like. None of my clients will ever buy one. Nor will they get one built by me other than the one from my site to theirs.

Nice thing is most of them new site old site get front page results without them.

estaquieto -- One way links never hurt anyone...as a matter of fact somebody in one of the forums I post in has added about 200 backlinks from texas poker sites and some other junk trying to get me penalized and not realizing it just boosted my rank for " ranking relevancy" on Goolge from Page #1 Position # 7 to Page #1 Position #4 and has had nice effects on some other terms and even helped my traffic to my site..

Dave your always quiet....makes you look smart...maybe I should try that tact ....LOL

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Hi All

There have been some great thoughts in this post but it seems to have run it's course for me.

I'll leave this with a simple method to get into Googles good graces.

Build a site thats clean in code, linked from your home page to your sitemap and other top level pages.

Try to validate to W3C spec, do not use session ID's

Pull all javascript and styling coding from your pages. Increase the speed in which your site loads. (Slow sites are not good for users it seems)

Link all your pages back to your index page using anchor text links of your main keyword terms.
(One back link per page will do for all of you who will think to abuse this)

Build outbound links from your pages to on topic authority sites to raise Google PR.

Use a robots text file or robots command in the metas.

Make a great title tag and meta descript Under 11 words for the title -no common words 24 or less words for meta descript. Use image alt tags with your keyword in the top three image on your pages.

Do basic seo work to the site. Nothing too advanced needed.

Get a link to your site from a site being indexed daily by Googlebot.

Submit your site to Directories only. Do not submit to the search engines. The bots will find you on their own and seem to give better ranking because of this.

Build a few one way backlinks, the directories help but find another way ..A good press release can do this.

Add content daily if possible..use a blog for this

Buy traffic to your site either through a reputable traffic reseller or a pay per click campaign on Google or Overture.

Check for quality control issues - no broken links no broken html code (Broken html seems to screw googlebot up quickly)

If you have good thoughts, ideas, questions, comments post in forums where your signature file can be indexed by the bots, and use the signature file to link back to your website.

Watch site never have issues with an imaginary place called "Sandbox" which is a Google Adsense Tool!

Take your marketing offline as well...every bill you pay should have your URL on the bill part you send back and on the bottom or top of your check, people who cash checs, process checks and bills, also work on computers an may like what you have to offer.

Buy a bumper sticker and put the url on your car.

Post it on signs on streetlights, telephone poles, etc, around your metro area. (PS This may be illegal in your area Check the laws first)

Every e-mail you write even if you've written the person 400 this month should have a signature file with your site URL in it.

Get business cards and attend local business group functions to exchange cards.

I could post here all day probably, but I think this is enough for anyone to have the success they want

Waiting for a search engine to bring you customers is a good idea if you have a lot of patience...which is defintely not a trait most webmasters have ......

Be well Be Prosperous Be Smart

Read Googles Quality Guidelines If You Want To Be On Google ..for some odd reason they seem to know what theyre talking about.

Peace

Clint - aint seen no sandbox round these parts in years

Clint

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A couple of last thoughts

I have a site which goes against all the Google Sandbox theories.

[snip]

From Whois:
Created: 15-jun-2004

10 Links on Google
Results 1 - 10 of about 76 linking to [snip] (0.22 seconds)

These are static pages created from [snip]
Started Mid January 2005

[snip]

Pages are being picked up by google and making nice gains, more to come in the future weeks.

For further proof that there is no sandbox

Another dynamic site I started on a month ago and a wonderful example of an seo and webmaster who can listen working together.

Baseline Report 01-28-2005 (5) Total Results 0 Google Results
[snip]
Less than 30 days later.

[snip]

74 results up 69 -- 12 Google results --7 of which are front page results. Competitors pages between 400k and 7.5 mil/ 2nd page results with competition pages at 22mil

More to come.

Clint - "trying to find that andbox to play in"

[edited by: vitaplease at 6:58 pm (utc) on Feb. 27, 2005]
[edit reason] no specifics please [/edit]

3:02 pm on Feb 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You should have a look at this french document : [webrankinfo.com...]
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If I could read french I would.

However if it tries to prove there is a sandbox associated with the free results listings on Google...
I doubt it will change my thinking or proof that it is just a myth.

Clint

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For further proof that there is no sandbox
In spite of the WebmasterWorld Terms of Service items 13 and 20, AND after being edited for including specifics in your posts, you offer one site as anecdotal evidence that there is no sandbox. That does NOT constitute proof, it simply supports your belief. Conclusive proof can only result from an analysis of EVERY page that Google indexes.

Although hundreds of webmasters, many of them top SEOs, reported the sandbox, I remained skeptical until I saw it for myself. I can understand your skepticism. Unlike you, I at least kept an open mind on the subject.

If I could read french I would.
Neither can I but I read the article:
[world.altavista.com...]
[google.com...]

Yes I am a new comer to this board, however on the subject of data mining robots I have 15 years experience in their workings

"I studied data mining scripts in the early 90s using ASP400's" 2005 - 1990 15 years

In my view, your skills analyzing the data you have mined could use substantail improvement.

In #124, you offer some sound advice but, to me at least, the more you post, the less credible you appear.

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Compliments, Seo1

<< Google Sandbox- I have read this topic so many times in the last two years it hurts. >>

You have knocked the conversation into some very fruitful and helpful directions with amazingly few "clinging blindly to their positions". Your insights are very consistent with my results and your suggestions will be considered. Simple and a nice lack of conspiracy theories!

Thank you, and all contributors.

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Pages are being picked up by google and making nice gains, more to come in the future weeks.

For further proof that there is no sandbox

Congratulations on your move to #196. You consider this proof there is no sandbox?

BTW. Dropping URLs is against the TOS of this forum.

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Pages are being picked up by google and making nice gains, more to come in the future weeks.

For further proof that there is no sandbox

No sandbox in this case, more of a ' I should give up and go get another job' box.

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I hope all our competitors give post 124 a very close reading, and follow its guidelines exactly. Seo1's postings are works of art in the true sense of the word art.
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...you offer one site as anecdotal evidence that there is no sandbox. That does NOT constitute proof, it simply supports your belief.

It is usually the other way around; someone should prove that something DO exist.
God, Sandbox, green roly masters of universe...whatever.

Bringing a theory to explain something difficult to grasp and accepting it as granted, is actually a belief.

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For Powdork & MHes

Four weeks out of being optimized, the page ranks #196 out of 22,000,000 competing pages

The chance of that happening is 0.00000909 something

There's a better chance of being hit by lightening or winning the lottery.

So am I proud?, yes.

Am I satisfied?, NO

Question is have either of you done better?

Peace

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If you aren't kidding here, I'd suggest you spend more time reading here.
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For the record, I found it interesting that I followed the 26 Steps recommendation from Brett, with one exception. I never sought links from anyone. I figured I would eventually get there, but I focused on writing content.

I did get a Dmoz listing very early on - the site was only a month old or so. Did Google send me to the sandbox for the Dmoz listing or the links that followed because of that listing? Perhaps. Does it make sense? No. But when your run the ship via rules, then their will be casualties. Guess I am one.

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