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Anyone Make It Out of the Sandbox With Allegra?

     
12:53 am on Feb 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The question is simple. All of my sites are still stuck in it. Seems that way for everyone in the niches I'm in.

If you don't believe in the sanbox there are other threads to argue about that, keep it out of this one please.

3:41 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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All of our sites are out of the sandbox.

FANTSTIC!

Google is back in business... :-)

5:48 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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After six months I am out!
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The sites which have been sandboxed since March last year are out. The ones sandboxed in the last 6 months still there. Do no blink though they could dissapear again been down this route before.
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I'm out.

Site launched middle of July last year.

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The sites which have been sandboxed since March last year are out.

I agree.

What I foudn really intersting is that our site launched September 2003, had good rankings until march 2004, then got sandboxed....only to return with a vengeance with this update. It was just a bit strange for a site to do so well for it's first 5 months or so, only to effectively dissappear.

Anywhoo....this is nice "incing on the cake". We haven;t relied on Google for any significant traffic for over a year now, which in retrospect was a good thing, as it took our original diversification strategy to the next level, making this nice little traffic bump simply a bonus ;-)

8:23 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you have sites that are still not out, have you checked allinanchor:keyterm for them lately?

We got some sites out but a few are not AND they are completely missing from the same allinanchor searches that used to place them #1.

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Sites still sandboxed I know about continue to rank well for allinanchor.
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Thanks Steveb,

glad to get a (non) confirmation from someone.

What an interesting phenomenon though. There are about 6 sites of ours that I'm seeing this on. Still in google, no adjustment in traffic (trickles in).

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nuevojefe and steveb,
Same thing with my sites.
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nuevojefe and steveb,
Same thing with my sites.

Meaning allinanchor is as it should be or your still (seemingly) sandboxed sites are not showing for allinanchor?

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My #3 spot for allinanchor is gone. I don't know what it means but.........
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Thanks fjpapaleo.

What's strange is that allinanchor:http://www.example.com/ still pulls up these sites.

So google looks to be zapping the record of those links in terms of anchor text at least.

9:25 pm on Feb 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do you think me linking to several PR0'd (banned) and 404's could have done me in that my competitor whom I have more links and higher quality link is now #1 and out of the sandbox?

I am trying to look for an explanation and this seems like the only plausible one. Agree?

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Linking to penalized domains can certainly scuttle you. The good news is, that's easily fixed.

Further, unless you really had a ton of 404's. I doubt they hurt you that much.

Clean up your links, acquire some more (quality) links, add some new content, and clean up your link structure/404's, and you'll probably be back.

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Out for highly competitive terms.
1st for 2.2 million results etc..

Site was put up Dec03, but linking campaign wasn't started in earnest until March 2004.

Now as long as it stays out, we can start doing some interesting stuff.

CF
ps1 funny how this comes out just after MSN launch.
ps2 I wonder if I can pay anyone to summarize the 62 PAGES of posts for the main update thread - heheheh

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- Site Launch: beginning of July 2004.

- Allin'keywords: 1st or second page for 10 or so 2m+ money terms.

- 16 x keyword(s) or keyword(s) plus filler (eg 'and) to 16: same as allin'...

- Normal keywords: SANDBOX (Nothing in a 1000 SERPS)

I would give a lot to know if it is just a waiting game, until mysite comes out, or if it is penalized or perpetually sandboxed.

If I knew what the problem was I could address/remedy the problem!

IE Is this mysite's problem or Google's problem?

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Is this mysite's problem or Google's problem?

PS This is rhetorical - mysite ranks well in all other engines, as well as goggle aliní & 16x!

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I would give a lot to know if it is just a waiting game, until mysite comes out, or if it is penalized or perpetually sandboxed.

Our case went somethin like this:

1. Site luanched Sept. 2003

2. Site ranked well in Google until March 2004 - then
all positions fell to pages 100+ (i.e. sandboxed)

3. Site continued to rank well in all other engines 9and still does - top 5 in both MSN & Yahoo), and we continued business as usual (i.e. pursuing relvant links, adding at least one new page of content per day, etc.....NO new SEO techniques were attempted - just solid html structure)

4. As of sometime on Saturday - site shot back to top 10 for all relevant queires on google, with dozens of #1 positions.

I'm not counting my chickens yet - as ANY free traffic is just icing on the cake. Having said that, I think good solid site-building tactics still win the day. Keep on keeping on, as they say, and a few months down the road, your site will see the light of day ;-)

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My April sites are still sandboxed. So maybe the 'delay' is like 11 or so months, since march people seem to be getting out of it. Cool, 1 more month to go!

(then Google will do something new and we'll be back at square 1)

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from early looks, we have had a whole heap of websites come out of the sandbox for this update.

it's gonna be fun going back over 500 odd sites to see which have, which havent etc! oh well gotta love my job. :):)

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Having said that, I think good solid site-building tactics still win the day. Keep on keeping on, as they say, and a few months down the road, your site will see the light of day ;-)

Good positive advice WebFusion...

Question is: If I ever do get out, will I hold a grudge against Google for putting me in the SANDBOX for 9-12 months or will I be happy that much of my competition is still there?

Divide and conquer!

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All of my sites are now out of the sandbox after a good 12 months of waiting. Let's hope it lasts.
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Out for a few days, then right back in as of today.
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YES. A large site is out. Opened in august 2004.
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It makes me really angry that my sites were in the sandbox in the first place. I feel vindicated now they are were they should be but still can't really understand why they were penalised for so long.
What is the logic behind the sandbox?
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1 site out launched April 2004
4 other sites launched mid 04 still in.

1 of the 4 sites still in sandbox ranking very well for single keyword searches but is useless without the second word which doesnt rate at all (money word)

keyword1 - good positions

keyword1 keyword2 - Zilch

3:36 pm on Feb 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Those who report coming out, do all your pages come out as well or do pages added, say last month, remain sandboxed?
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Yes FINALLY. I now rank at 36 for one competitive two word phrase and 91 for another. This may not sound like much of an accomplishment but for love or money I was not ranking in the top 1000 SERPS. I enjoyed great pagerank (in fact my site was 6/10 FOREVER and recently downgraded to 5/10 much to my disappointment). For quite a while I have ranked the top 1 or 2 for some comeptitive 3 words terms. Certainly in the top 10. I do notice that now some of my newer pages are ranking in the top 10 for some 3 word terms and 2 word terms.

My case is a bit puzzling as my domain is not new. I had had it for about 4 years. I was hosting my domain at the free web space at my ISP and using a virtual domain redirecting service. Almost a year ago, I moved most of the site to the server of the company that had provided the domain redirection service. I was almost immediately sandboxed for importnat key words "blue widgits" "red widgits" but continued to place first for "blue widgits mycity" and "red widgits mycity". As the domain wasn't new, this was a REAL puzzler for me. Anyway, let's hope that all these problems are behind me and that the phone will ring more often from now on.

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Is this process going to be an on-going thing?

1. Launch new site
2. get links in
3. wait 9 months
4. start ranking

or are sites going to be popping out at random intervals?

Cheers,
Hughie

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It is interesting to see people attributing all temporary serp changes to the Sandbox theory.
The Sandbox as imagined by someone and spread by masses lacking anything else, clearly does not exist.

There are obviously some new filters, but the new-site/time-bomb is surely not the one among.

I appologize to all believers if I hurt their feelings.

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