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This time, it's mostly independent websites that were outside our quality guidelines, but that corrected whatever it was (hidden text, hidden links, etc.) and asked to be re-included. Many sites will return to our index within 24 hours. A few sites that used to be way past our guidelines will have to wait for a complete crawl/index cycle before they return completely.
I've said it before, but ultimately each webmaster is responsible for what happens on their own pages. Don't let someone else convince you to put hidden links, hidden links, or other tricks on your domains unless you know what problems it can cause. If you think your site may have penalties for violating our guidelines at one time, but the site has now corrected any problems, you can send an email to email@example.com with the subject line "reinclusion request". Wait to email us until you're sure your site complies with our quality guidelines at
One of my resolutions for this year is to continue to communicate and to increase communication with webmasters when they've run into problems. The process we're putting into place for these reinclusion requests should help make that easier for webmasters who have made mistakes.
Hope this little GoogleGram helps,
GoogleGuy (topping 900 posts! Woohoo!)
joined:Feb 26, 2003
annnnyhhoooww .. i' havent put much effort into getting those guys out, just more effort on using my legitimate methods to outrank them .. and i've been having some success at it ... but it still annoys me when i have #2 and #3 and they're #4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 up to 20 with their spam :-)
I think Google as a company really understands that a lot of small businesses are almost completely dependent on Google for visitors. And by offering information like this plus lifting past bans they are really make some huge leaps forward.
lets say there are a whole ton load of domains with redirects (or maybe its cloaking, i have no clue) .. anyhow, these domains are all ranking well with lots of pages and sub-domains in the index ... BUT .. these pages all redirect to a particular domain .. lets say that domain is XYZ.com
now ... XYZ.com is clearly benefitting from all these spam/re-directs or whatever but when and if google bans anybody, they're banning the domain that is doing the re-direct .. is that right?
it would be good, especially in the case of this XYZ domain if you could figure out some way of banning these domains that are benefiting the spam .. without ending up with a ban on a site that a competitor decided to get kicked by pointing the redirects at him
hmm ... hope you're following .. lol
I doubt GG will continue his pre-update posts, if the expected replies are of this nature.
Brett did! (at SES) :)
[edited by: Marcia at 4:31 am (utc) on Mar. 6, 2003]
Now, all you've got to do is find a way to make the updates happen more frequently... Not constant, but even every other week would be a good way to get things going. I'm sure it is exponentially more difficult than simply flicking that "update" switch we all imagine.
And hey, gettin' gusty with the StickyMail going back on 'eh? :)
Take care, and thanks for the valued info.
People tend to get a little antsy around update time...
Nahhh, not us! ;)
Glad to hear about the planned improvement in response mechanism. I have few complaints about Google, but the autoresponse/no response issue seemed really out of keeping with the quality standards set by the rest of the company. Thanks for stopping by, GG, and "feeling our pain". :)
I would like to if sites are penalized for certain periods of time until Google feels they've served their sentence.... or is it more of a "let's be generous and give all these guys a second chance" thing? Like taking all convicts off death row? :)
GoogleGuy, I take Norvasc and Atacand HCT. I've had to double up on my meds since the 20th. That gets expesive. Please take it easy on us hypertensive types next month!
but ODP should be downgraded as part of the algo not up upgraded. rfgdxm1, I feel for you, but ODP these days reminds me of 1996 (7,8.or 9)...where perception of value was better than value itself.
i know....not germain... i think i caught the dance bug through osmosis. not like me....
[edited by: Chicago at 3:54 am (utc) on Mar. 6, 2003]
*I'm* an ODP editor (at least last I checked my password still worked, so I guess that means I still am.) Last I checked "fresh" would mean more recent than fall, 2002. Google has updated beyond that?