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Microsoft vs Google

The New Windows

         

TheComte

7:13 pm on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The new, upcoming release of Windows has leaked to the net. This is a quote:
The indexing feature will enable more sophisticated, Google-like searching.

Looks like Microsoft is waking up. Also will include "Windows Future Storage Services and Windows Storage Full-Text Index".

The competition is heating up. Maybe Google shouldn't be waiting 40+ days to provide a new index, or maybe some big changes are in the works. I hope it is the later.

daroz

7:31 pm on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMHO, I believe the quote is in refernce to searching your local PC or LAN, not the web in general.

TheComte

7:35 pm on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that it will search local disk and lan, but I think it's more than that. Find the best resource where ever it is, hard disk - lan - internet. I haven't seen it, but this seems to make sense.

aspdesigner

4:26 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The fact that they specifically mention "Google-like searching" would seem to indicate something more than a simple LAN index.

Remember, they have a history of taking-over markets when it suits them. Remember also that they are in the server software business.

My guess is that they may be looking at the same market as the -

Google Search Appliance [google.com]

possibly a software-only alternative to be bundled with the Professional/Server edition of Windows?

Eric_Lander

4:34 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The competition is heating up. Maybe Google shouldn't be waiting 40+ days to provide a new index, or maybe some big changes are in the works. I hope it is the later.

Absolutely agreed. While I wouldn't be surprised to see Micro$oft buy into Google (partially or fully) I think that the heat is on Google to become more responsive.

I mean, look at it this way. Inktomi, in terms of referrals and search quality, lacks the power of Google. But if I created a new site today, I can sleep easy knowing it will be in Ink this weekend, but I could wait well over a month to have it in Google.

The web is about things happening now. Not 30+ days ago. They've made a step with the freshness issues and so on, but I feel as if there should be one never-ending update. Sure would make these forums less closely watched though.

Anyways, my bet is on something big coming from Google shortly. There's a stink in the air with Overture having bought so much so fast, and Google is soon to be overdue on an update. Whatever it is, I hope someone like MSN doesn't taint the waters of Google.

moehits

5:04 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Microsoft may be planning a search engine of their own, they had job listings posted on Monster last year looking to hire people for it. It didn't sound like Intranet stuff.

I forget the details, but it was a C++ programmers job and I think they mentioned natural language in it, among a few other interesting tidbits.

SilentPartner2

5:49 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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*shudders*

It's hard to even imagine a world where Microsoft is a search engine conglomerate.

I personally feel that google does an admirable job with ethics, especially considering the amount of raw power that has been developed so quickly.

I have no such illusions about Microsoft, especially if they were to truly focus their attention on the net-search world through their operating system.

I would even go so far as blocking MSN from indexing the not-for-profit sites I've developed, and would even consider organizing a similiar campaign among other informational websites.

I don't begrudge Microsoft their success, but IMHO, they are not to be trusted with the free world!

Perhaps that sounds a bit fanatical, but I believe web site owners should start to consider the power that they have -- and the responsibility -- to ensure that competition would stay alive and well in the event of any such scenario.

aspdesigner

6:05 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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New slogan -


"Where do you want to search today?TM"

daroz

6:18 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As opposed to the current one?

Where do we want you to search today?

aspdesigner

8:12 am on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can just see it now...


New ranking factors to get a Top-10 listing -

* host on a Windows server
* HTML done in FrontPage
* site written in .NET
* site uses ActiveX
* site uses SQL Server database
* site uses Passport for user authentication
* site uses MS-Wallet for e-commerce
* site used Windows Media Player audio/video
* site advertised on bCentral
* site uses MSNBC for news feed
* site only viewable in IE (latest version)
* "good" linking practices (every page has a link to msn.com)

special "hot" ranking tip - use the word "Microsoft" at least 10 times on your home page, and in close proximity to "complimentary" words.

relevant text, keywords - used by "old" search engines, no longer needed.

Penalties to avoid, these can get you banned! -

* hosting on a UNIX server
* using banned "tricks" (like RealAudio, Java or MPG)
* linking to "bad neighborhoods" (like netscape.com, aol.com or sun.com)
* links to "free" software sites ("open source farms")
* Mentioning the word "Linux" anywhere on your site (the "Torvalds" penalty)

;)

Eric_Lander

12:14 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For all the negative comments made - Microsoft could in fact become a legit SE player. My only scare is that they would buy into Google, thus ruining a great thing. That is what I would hate to see happen.

If MS came on the scene though, either with a robust new SE or just a complete overhaul of MSN - it's not guaranteed to be bad for users.

My point is that, sure - we all dislike them for one reason or another. But there is still a reason they have accomplished what they have, and there's still a reason that the vast majority of PC owners run their apps all day long.