Pagerank and subdirectories/pages

I am new and not sure how this works....

[iam david lee]

Hi
Have a small question on Pageranks, If a domain has pagerank 5 does all the subdomains, folder and pages have the same or higher rank as well. I thought it wouldnt be, But i created a subfolder in a domain with page rank 5, even though it is not in goole it says Pagerank 5. Same for pages for example this forum thread page has a high rank even though it is not in goole. So if i put a link from subfolder or a page which is not indexed by goole but with high rank and then submit it to google will it make any difference.

Thanks

[Pegasus]

The directory structure is irrelevant.

[diddlydazz]

hi iam,

its the link structure not the directory structure that affects PR.

Dazz

[doc]

I disagree to some extent. My home page has a PR4, a sub folder has a pr5, and then I discovered the following:

domain = PR4

domain/widgets/mainpages = PR5

domain/widgets/minorpages = PR2 even though all linked to from PR5 pages

domain/anynewpage = PR3

Semms to support the directory structure makes a bigger difference than the internal links. IMHO

[diddlydazz]

PR is passed through links not directories.

Dazz

[iam david lee]

Thanks for the replies...

Still a bit not sure, so if i create a new folder and register that folder with google will it get lower ranking. Beause at the moment that new folder I created has a high ranking..

Thanks

[Tartan75]

until the update after a new page/folder is deepcrawled, the pagerank you see on googlebar is an estimated pagerank, not a fully calculated pagerank. Until that update, i think im correct in saying the page doesnt have any pagerank (perhaps someone with more experience will correct me if im wrong - i could understand if the 'estimate' pagerank was used until the next dance, although i dont think thats the case).

Also note that its not a matter of you needing to 'register' the new content with google. Assuming you have linked to it from the rest of your site, then google will find it anyway.

[jbauder]

iam ... taking tartans comment 1 step further you probably do not want to submit that new folder / page to google just link to it and wait ... if I'm wrong here someone please jump up but my understanding is google likes "finding" pages more than submitted pages

[annej]

domain = PR4

domain/widgets/mainpages = PR5

domain/widgets/minorpages = PR2 even though all linked to from PR5 pages

domain/anynewpage = PR3

Here is my theory

Usually your domain homepage is highest as it has the most links to it. So I can't explain this one.

The PR5 pages must earn that PR through outside links and internal links. Are they linked to each other?

The new PR3 pages are all just Google's estimate

Now the PR3 pages I have questions about. Are they the pages you get after a deep crawl and update? Do they have as many internal links? as many outside links? It seems to me the answer would have to be there.

Anyway I do agree that link structure makes a big difference and whether the page is in the root directory or a subdirectory MAKES NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. (Just a little shout here for the newbies who haven't realized that yet.)

That's why it is interesting to share our ideas about link structure. I am finding extensive internal link structure makes a huge difference, in fact I am amazed at how much it helps. Of course it helps the surfer as well so maybe that is why Google likes it.

BTW I often wonder about people with doorway pages (not the ones with spam but those that people have just because they think they look neat. It seems to me that outside links get distributed between the doorway/entry page and the one you enter from the doorway. Some visitors will link the first one on their website and others will link the second one. Meanwhile someone who could have been a PR5 is stuck with a PR4.

Anne

[doc]

annej

I agree overall with your summation of links vs directory location. I am eagerly awaiting the next Google dance to see if there are any changes to the assigned PR3 pages. (and any improvement in the PR2 pages).

The PR5 pages are explainable by external links that are not counted in backlinks as the PR5 pages are the most viewed on the site. There is decent internal page linking without trying to overdo it. Interesting though is that my site has quite a few duplicate pages in it and when there are duplicates the pages farther from the domain are ranked higher i.e

domain/oldpages = pr4

domain/widgets/oldpages =pr5 when "old pages" are exact duplicates, a result of early on uploading 2 different directories to the server. Now i wouldn't do that but makes an interesting comparison. There is one page:

domain/oldpage with a PR5 that also has an ODP listing, in that case domain/widgets/oldpage = PR4

I have another site with an entry page and I agree with you about the loss of PR splitting with the main page. I will have to see how that PR develops.

Hopefully the Google update will occur soon and more analysis can be done!

[annej]

Seems like there is so much to consider and of course we can't really know how Google weighs things. For example I think there is a point where internal linking too much can hurt but I'm not sure. Anyway doing just right amount of interlinking to make it easy for the visitor to get around the site easily is probably about right for Google too.

I'll have to admit with the delay in updating I do wonder if there will be big changes. Kind of scary after working so hard to get things right for they way Google has been doing things.

Anne