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<snip>But if the site wasn't yours, then that's somewhat of an intrusion, as Xenu probably doesn't respect robots.txt, and it would flood the site with page requests.
Xenu most assuredly respects robots.txt. At least she has on my site.
Xenu will not flood the site as you mentioned.
I've been using Xenu for better than four years now and she's a very well behaved lady.
Now, to Brett's question:
Is there anyway to check the outbound links of a site with Google?
(What?!? Are we nearing the first of April here?) :o <he said - checking multiple calendars, his watch and scurrying to find a Valentines Day card online....>
I don't know, Brett. But I suspect not.
Quality inbounds for PR sake yes, but outbounds?
I just don't see to what end would Google be concerned about providing this information.
Pendanticist.
I don't think he is talking about links on the site, but the ones Google has found. Rumored this may be a factor soon.
"...but the ones Google has found."
Is there anyway to check the outbound links of a site with Google?
Ex: I have 5,000 outbound links on my site. How can Google find more?
Pendanticist.
I recall GG making reference to the "Authority-like score" in reference to web sites that hoard their outbound links...
I also apologize if I misunderstood Bret's post. I just assumed that Google is very efficient at spidering whole sites, so if a log shows that a page was read by Googlebot, isn't is safe to assume that Google found all the outgoing links on that page?
Usually :)
You know the concept behind a web map? Inktomi incorporated it in the whole hubs and authorities model of ranking. Basically sites are dots and lines between dots (sites) represent hyperlink structures. The lines are represented as vectors (lines that have a direction). If my site links out to a bunch of others, it will show up on a web map as having vectors toward other dots (sites). Vectors into my site represent sites linking to mine. Google primarily has been concerned with number of vectors into the site (initially) but then upgraded to the quality of vector into a site as a major aspect of PageRank.
Now, what would happen if they started adding weight to the algorithm based on vectors out from a site?
Does anybody have the url for that cool web site that displays results like hubs?
<wide, understanding grin>
I just visited that kartoo. Wow!
(stevenha: A slight slip of the finger allowed for the addition of an 'n' when I first registered. One that I've been told I could change, but hey, it's been there since I joined. My actual handle really is Pedanticist, and not Pe'n'danticist.)
My domain is academic in nature, so pedanticism kinda falls right in there as does pedanticist, pedanticistic and so on.
I live to learn. What can I say? :)
Pendanticist.
If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains.
This is the whole quote I found in an earlier discussion. I just want to make sure I understand what it means
Would authority-like mean links out to related pages on other sites?
And hub-like refer to related outside sites' links to your site?
I'm guessing from context that linking to related outside pages would be good in this case. Am I right?
Anne
as far as I can check Kartoo is a metasearch engine..
in options you can select one search engine, but not Google..
you can choose Yahoo, but those are French language results IMO.
and then it shows links relations, but hubs?
Does anybody have the url for that cool web site that displays results like hubs?
For Google the nearest thing to me is: [labs.google.com...]
but then that still doesn't answer Bretts question..
Xenu does not honor robots.txt
I stand corrected. And I read that very thing once too...waaaaaaaaaayyy back when I didn't view my access_log files, much less know what they were.
Pendanticist.
Authority = A content-rich site, but it is all original content, therefore the Authority can not quote (= link to) any other site.
Till now Google favoured the Authority. But Google wants to show the world as it is. So they probably have realized that there is hardly one Authority that doesn't build up on other authorities. That means: If there is a site that has only incoming links, there is something fishy.
So, to my understanding, being "outstandig"
>sets your site apart from most domains<
in the sense that there are no out-going links is highly unnatural and undermines the authority of the Authority.
Who else but Google has the information of all the outgoing links? If they take into account "more than 100 factors", why should they not make use of the factor "outgoing links"? If GG more than once indicated that "bad neighbourhood" should be avoided (means: do not link to link-farms), doesn't this imply: Seek good neighbourhood (meaning: make links to the best authorities in your field of interest)?
Brett's question, correct me if I am wrong, goes in this direction: If Google starts measuring out-going links, can we tap off (into?) that knowledge? If yes, how?
I think that in future any links that you supply should carry a health warning e.g. "This software will seriously disrupt your working day" ;)
Till now Google favoured the Authority. But Google wants to show the world as it is. So they probably have realized that there is hardly one Authority that doesn't build up on other authorities. That means: If there is a site that has only incoming links, there is something fishy.
Normally we think of Google indexing pages, not sites. Would this change, if it really has occurred, mean that Google is now tracking proportions of inbound and outbound links on sites as a whole, not just on individual pages?
(I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Google is using "overall site factors" in its algorithm; that would make a lot of sense in terms of theming, and it might tend to discourage or overcome the SEO technique of splitting sites into dozens or hundreds of domains and subdomains.)
Seek good neighbourhood (meaning: make links to the best authorities in your field of interest
This would be great for me as I have already done that. My content is kind of like a beginning class on widgeting history. I give basic information but then lead my visitors to many more resources on the topic through outgoing links. Some of my links are right in the text of an article so the reader can go take a look immediatly. Some are at the end of articles. I also have a extensive directory to widgeting history as there simply wasn't one anywhere else on the net.
I've read here that linking to outside sites gives away PR but I haven't found that to be true for me.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that Google is using "overall site factors" in its algorithm
I'd like to see that. That policy should take care of most of those sites we wonder about, the ones with little on the page linking to not much of anything that still seem to be high in the serps.
Anne
Does the page rank of the page you link to matter? This would be important because deep linking would theme better but usually go to lower pr pages. I would guess not.
Does the theme of the page matter? It would have to if were to mean you were some kind of authority on something. The page title your linking to would be very important.
Does outgoing anchor or alt text matter? One would think so.
If the page you link to is unavailable for any reason during the crawl, would the link still count?. (can you link to non existant pages just for the anchor text authority thing?)
How many outbound links til it starts to smell fishy?
How would tags like noindex, index, follow, and nofollow be affected?
Would this amount to a penalty (or lack of a bonus) for someone who is currently hiding all their links from GoogleBot via js or other means?
If there were some penalty or lack of bonus would it be applied on the basis of the whole domain? For example would a site that has all its links on a links page be helping the links page and hurting the rest of the site?
Would it apply to all links leaving a page or just those leaving the domain? i.e. do internal links count?
I'm sure there are many more questions?
That's what's interests me most since all rumours are very interesting and logic but quite too speculative. I'm currently hiding 99,9% of my outgoing links (specialized directory) from any bot. I just started to make _some_very_few_ dedicated outgoing links (not hidden), though. However, the day Brett changes the ratio of outbound / inbound links at WebmasterWorld i'll do the same with my sites.
;)
