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How do determine exact PR value?

..to the decimal point...?

   
9:56 pm on Aug 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi, a site of mine has a PR of 6 and is listed at the top of its category, above other PR 6 sites. Is there a way to determine how close this site is too PR 7?

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Efex

10:34 pm on Aug 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Don't think you can.

There'll be a variety of reasons why you're listed before competitors with the same PR - PR is only a small piece of the puzzle.

10:35 pm on Aug 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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you have a 6.7 ;)
10:40 pm on Aug 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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DPeper - *lol* gee.. thanks..

If you want a better idea of why you are ranking above competitors for a given keyword/phrase, run your site and the competitors sites through Brett's keyword density analyser:

[searchengineworld.com...]

I have yet to see a case where PR was the answer. (Disclaimer: ...something about what I know and postage stamps...)

1:05 am on Aug 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dpeper, how did you work out that it was 6.7?

I didnt even mention which site it was :?

Efex

1:24 am on Aug 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I know alot about webdesign and SEO (im that good)
I made it up :)
1:30 am on Aug 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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ah ok :p

many thanks

4:46 pm on Aug 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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well, it isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it could help a little....

1.) go into the directory section @ [directory.google.com...] and find your site (if you are in the PR6 range, I assume you have dmoz listing ...as will your competition)

2.) then grab the source code of the cat page, and find your listing in the code.

3.) then look for this snippet...

<img src="/img/pos.gif" width=##, height=4 align=absmiddle border=0 ALT="">

... the '##' will be an actual number, like 22 or something.... that is the width of the green PR image.... the more PR, the longer the bar. Be careful not to look at the image source that comes AFTER the snippet above.... it will look like <img src="/img/neg.gif" width=## height=4 align=absmiddle border=0 ALT=""> ...that is the image source of the 'negative' space AFTER the green bar. (I guess it would be ok to compare negative spaces, but don't compare green images with the negative spaces:)) .... FYI 'pos.gif' plus 'neg.gif' will add up to a width of 40.

...anyway, this will help you know where you are in *relative* terms. If I had a PC, I would get a toolbar and check the sites above and below me in that cat to see if I could see where the cutoffs are, then you could figure it out a little more.... but I don't:)

oh, for more on PR, I just found this thread too...
[webmasterworld.com...]

4:06 pm on Aug 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sometimes you can get a rough idea by looking at the pages within a site (if the link structure is simple and if you know which pages do not have links from outside). When it comes to normal Web sites, this is not easy and often is not practical.

As far as I know, you can't measure a page's PageRank any better than 1/30 of a notch on the Toolbar scale.

6:42 pm on Aug 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Iím surprised that I canít find a post where somebody has constructed a site (or segment of a site) to figure out the relation between toolbar PR and real pagerank (assuming a relation exists). If anybody knows of a post or site then please let me know.

An idea would be to have a site (or segment of a site) with reasonably high incoming (external) PR pages linking only to one page and then design the link structure of the site so that it will have varying gradations of real pagerank (using a classical pagerank calculator). Then when Google indexes the site and assigns various PR toolbar values to the pages then you can see how/if this relates to real pagerank.

6:56 pm on Aug 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think the question is regarding how the toolbar relates to PageRank, but rather about a method for determining the exact PageRank from the approximated gradient shown in the toolbar.

The toolbar image is the same for all pages with a PR of 6, regardless if they are a "high" six or a "low" six.

The original poster would like to know how to determine if he is a 6.1 or a 6.2 - or a 6.9 but the general consensus is that this isn't possible since the toolbar only displays a rounded value.

7:15 pm on Aug 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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mortalfrog,
My thinking was along the lines of cimlís post. I guess I was inferring that if you knew the toolbar PR values for the pages that the PR6 page linked to and you knew the toolbar PR values of the pages that they in turn linked to etc. AND you knew the relation between toolbar PR and real pagerank then you could potentially back out a good estimate of the real pagerank for the PR6 page and, since you would know the relation between toolbar PR and real pagerank, then you would have a pretty good idea of where it fell between 6 and 7 on the toolbar PR scale.
7:20 pm on Aug 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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dogboy,

well, it isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it could help a little....

i don't think that helps at all. i just checked the dmoz-page my site is on and all PR7 pages have 27, all PR6 have 22, all PR5 have 16, and so on.

muesli