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4.5 months from getting listed to PR6

         

podawg

3:09 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I LOVE YOU ALL!!
thanks to all those here.
I will be sharing my bonus with all of you.
sigh....if only I was getting a bonus.
Double sigh ... if only I was getting paid.
seriously tho - thanks to all for your time, knowledge, patience and lots and lots of threads.

Chef_Brian

3:22 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Congrats Podawg,

I have just recieved a pagerank 6 (about a month ago myself) and I know how much that can mean in search results as my traffic tripled. Hard work, hunting for links and choosing the right key words makes a successful site!

Way to go!

Chef Brian

Bluestreak

3:48 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My site's main content is currently ranked at 5. Does it make that much of a difference if I managed to bump it up to a PR6? I really cant think of anything new I could try to improve the page rankings, so maybe if I just let nature take its course and allow the site to mature over time, I'll reach that magic number of PR11 ;-)

przero2

3:54 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)



That was a good question. I was wondering the same ... What could be the traffic jump at each rank of PR jump? PR4 to PR5, PR5 TO PR6, PR6 TO PR7, PR7 TO PR8 (I can't think beyond PR8 for now;) )

dcheney

4:02 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I suppose the higher PR would help with searches on secondary keywords. For example, I only have PR5, but I'm #1 on my primary keywords. Using secondary keywords I'm typically in the top 20, top 5 or #1 on more obscure ones. I assume that a PR8 or whatever would help a lot on those secondary keyword searches.

brotherhood of LAN

4:05 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Surprisingly, at the risk of going OT ;) I don't think PR has a huge effect on referrals, though may act as a good indicator.

A PR7 site can get 300-400 google referrals a day, though I know of a site called w.m.w that gets many more than that......so PR7 can mean something or nothing :)

I think its more to do with your niche. Nonetheless...increasing PR is never a bad sign eh? :)

Hunter

4:12 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, just keep the focus on making a great site by constantly improving it and adding good content and some more links will begin to show up on their own.

jaytierney

7:08 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm curious, with access to all sorts of information on this board, what tips did you find to be the most helpful for improving your PR?

brotherhood of LAN

7:46 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>>most helpful for improving your PR?

1. Use CSS to lighten your code for easily accessible pages
2. Provide lots of content for these "light pages"
3. Hopefully (maybe forcably) get links pointing to the site
4. Wait and watch for the update

Ultimately.....gaining PR is meant to be out of your control, and any "artificial gain" would technically be spam ;)

But we can always hypothesize at WMW, so who is to say who is a spammer and who is not :) We need to get listed at least and WMW provides enough deep info to cover that topic :)

luma

9:17 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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what tips did you find to be the most helpful for improving your PR?

  • Have great content
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  • Have great content

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  • topr8

    9:21 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    Regarding PR.

    there is only one thing that will increase it ...

    inbound links (or hand tweeaking at googleplex if they consider you an important authority)

    Chef_Brian

    12:29 pm on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    As far as just how much better does ones search results do when a site moves up in pagerank. As mentioned before I think it depends on the theme of the site and just how competative it is.

    As I mentioned I saw a very big increase for my site when I jumped from a pagerank 5 to a 6. I saw about 50 or so key phrases for my site jump more than 20 + postions. Going from a ranking of 35 for the key phrase "pork tenderlion recipes" to a ranking in the top 10 is huge. As you guys no rarely do people make it to the third page of search results.

    As for improving pagerank I disagree that it is beyond your control to improve that important factor. Start of my putting your self in the shoes of other webmasters and ask yourself:

    what kind of sites or pages will I likely link to as I am building my site?

    As mentioned have quality content that people would WANT to come back to. So the first step is creating a quality site without thinking about pagerank. However, I think once you do have a great site up and you start recieving positive feedback from your site visitors then you need to go hunt links. Think outside the box, think: What can I provide to other site owners in which they would want to link to my site.

    For my site it was and is rather easy, it starred me in the face for about 9 months until I figured it out. There are thousands and thousands of recipe sites on the net. It is very very competative. But, all these sites are looking for recipes. In fact many of them set up forms to send in recipes. I simply search for "send your recipe" or "email your recipe" I spent about 5 hours working this technique and it bumped me to a pr6. This month I spent another hour with it and got several more quality links from quality sites.

    I think this is a variation of the "article submition idea" where you write a great article and then allow other webmasters to publish it. With a link back of course.

    I do not see this as fooling google either, if it is a quality link does it really matter how it got there. Heck I rather get out there and try to make it happen rather than "waiting".

    Of course I think It depends greatly on your site theme. My current site is very easy to build links with. A dime a dozen affilate site for posters or books would be harder to do this with. I am in the early stages of building a new affiliate poster site and it will be intresting to learn how to build links to that type of a site.

    Hope this helps,

    Chef Brian

    NineLives

    11:58 pm on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    I think what I am finding is that my choice of keywords differs a little from what people are actually using to find my site. We are consistently on the second, third or fourth page of the results of these "odd" queries. :( After spending days pouring over my logs discovering these key phrases, I found that with a little effort, I could tailor my pages to get better results over a large number of key phrases - not just the keywords I thought would be used. Am I right about this? Time will tell - maybe after the next update. I have noticed that since our site is now PR5 on the front page, Googlebot is visiting and pulling at least a couple of pages every day. :) There may be other factors, but I'm not yet knowledgeable enough to recognize them. Wow - you know, I'm lovin' it!!

    Bluestreak

    2:14 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    My question is once you decide on a definitive keyword, how do you implement it? Google doesn't use keywords from the meta tags (at least not that I know of), so is it a matter of sprinkling it on your site as much as you can? My site for example is a CMS based site (Content Management System) which means I can write articles on a daily basis. Would the best way to implement a keyword I found to be effective in my logs be by writing the keyword as much as reasonaly possible in all the articles I upload on a daily basis?

    NineLives

    4:12 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    I'm sure there are other threads concerning this, but if it were me, I would create a static template, and use the keyword(s) in the title, headings and body of the template. I would then use the template to frame (not in reference to HTML frames) your article of the day. You probably also want to wait and hear from someone with more experience at this than I have. :)

    digitalghost

    4:35 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    >>there is only one thing that will increase it ...

    inbound links

    Quite simply, that assertion is incorrect. There is much more to PageRank than inbound links. Google is paying a bit more attention now to content that is on the page. I have brand new client sites that beat competing sites in terms of Pagerank. In fact, some sites with minimal inbounds, (I'm talking 20 or fewer) beat sites that have hundreds or thousands of inbound links in position and PR.

    Start looking at themes, anchors, navigation TEXT and CONTENT. The info can be found at Google. There are MANY factors that influence PageRank. Inbound links happen to be ONE factor.

    DG

    doc

    5:13 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    For me the single most important thing has been getting listed in the ODP. That page has a PR5, the rest trail down to 1 or nothing.

    BrunoDillen

    5:53 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    My site magically went up from PR 4 to PR 7 this month and I'm now number 1 for a couple of hundred key phrases. I really can't believe it until I see it myself.
    I think PR 8 will be the maximum for a non-professional site that's only run by one person to reach.

    Brett_Tabke

    6:18 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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    Congrats Podawg.