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Safely Linking Two Sites

I would like to link my first website with my latest

         

Chef_Brian

12:08 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello Everyone,

I have started work on another site with a different theme and want to link my chef site to this new website I am currently building. I have read that it is important not to "cross-link" or you can get both sites banned. At the same time it is my understanding that cross linking is placing the same group of links on several different sites which would create a pattern of links that google would most likely find and penalice.

I would simply like to link to my new site from the "old indexed one". I am thinking of placing a link on every page within my "old site" to puch up pagerank on the new site.

What is my best bet to link to this new site without causing too much trouble. Am I risking too much by linking from each page on the old site? Should I just link to the new site from my index page of the "old site".

I hope this is not too confusing with all this old and new ~~~ My I think I am confused!

Thanks for the help,

Chef Brian

heini

12:16 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Chef, before the experts kick in, a short answer from me:
I would not recommend putting a link from every page of your old site to the new one.
I'd recommend to set one link from the index page, assuming that's the one with highest PR, eventually another from a page with somewhat related content, if that should be possible.

Here's a very good recent thread on crosslinking between two sites:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/3728.htm [webmasterworld.com]

mack

12:18 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If one of your sites is new then there realy isnt a lot of point in linking it to your existing site because it will probaly not have a pr rank. You could link your existing site to the new site and that way google will follow the link and index your new site. Most importaintly try and get some good external links to the new site by next update...

all the best with your new site :)

hurlimann

12:24 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would limit it to one link from the highest PR page of the old site to the index page of the new using link text that is the keyword you are targeting. Try and limit the outgoing links from this page and do not link back from the new site.

Not the best answer but one that works, gets great results and won't cause a problem.

Chef_Brian

1:54 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey Guys,

Makes sense and that is what my "safe conscience" tells me to do. My older site has a nice pagerank of 6 with about 30 or so links on it. My index page on the new site also has about 30 links (internal) which is a bit much for a new site. But it is the home page and there are many subcatagories that need to be linked.

I most likely will just place one link from the old to the new. Just wish there was a way to build pagerank a bit quicker with all the pagerank I have earned with my older site. Thanks for your coments.

Chef Brian

rfgdxm1

2:08 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have started work on another site with a different theme and want to link my chef site to this new website I am currently building. I have read that it is important not to "cross-link" or you can get both sites banned. At the same time it is my understanding that cross linking is placing the same group of links on several different sites which would create a pattern of links that google would most likely find and penalice.

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If Google is banning sites for something as simple (and, I don't believe they are) as this that would be way out of line. People who have one website and start another will naturally link the two. I presume that Google only penalizes sites when what they did was obviously done just to manipulate search engine results. Like creating many doorway pages that will come up page 1 on Google, etc. Penalities should only be used in cases where something was done solely just to manipulate Google results.

chiyo

3:46 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The idea of linking TO your new site but not back again is the best. We also use javascript so that people can still click in between, without it giving any "unfair" PR advantages or stuff up Googles algo! seeing Google does not SEEM to index js links.

However we are looking closely at our logs on this. Someone did suggest here that Google IS starting to index js links, that it has the capability if it wanted to, and it may just be a matter of time. I

In the meantime we are robot txt'ing our directory with the js file in. Its a rotating text ad js script that has a small screed and link to a certain page of our other sites.

I dont see this as trying to mislead Google, as it provides the cross linking for PEOPLE, but not for google's algo. Googles concern is I think that cross linking artificially increases PR for cross linked sites, not that there are cross links per se.

SmallTime

10:33 am on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think this crosslinking issue is a little overblown. When I put a new site up, I links back to my site from it, and put a temporary link to the new site on my home page, and a permanent link on a recent sites page. I haven't had any problems. The link to the new site helps Google find it, and gives the site some page rank to start, which keeps clients happy. Over time, as the new site develops its own links, the links back help my site. It is a natural and common pattern of links, in my opinion. What will get you noticed is an odd pattern of linking, such as a mess of doorway pages, or links back and forth from every page on two sites, etc. Some of these sites are on the same name based host, some on different hosts.

Outgoing links may also play a role, sites with no, or very few outgoing links would be more likely to display a noticably odd link pattern with cross-linking than those with many outgoing links, in my theory.

These are smaller sites, if you are talking thousands of links, it may be another story, it makes sense to me that there could be a threshold, above which the cross-linking penalty applies, as that would catch those really abusing the system.

heini's advice is certainly safe, and I would not worry about a few links back. Caution not paranoia.
Just my experience.

yankee

5:35 pm on Jun 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What is natural linking? When you exchange links with other sites, you usually place one link on your site, and you get one link back. That will not get you in trouble, even if you own both sites. Placing a link to the new site on every page of the old site is not natural, and could spell trouble.

kapow

10:52 am on Jul 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> Placing a link to the new site on every page of the old site is not natural, and could spell trouble
- Well look at WMW there are the same links on the header and footer of every page to several other sites :)

> I think this crosslinking issue is a little overblown. When I put a new site up, I link back to my site from it, and put a temporary link to the new site on my home page, and a permanent link on a recent sites page. I haven't had any problems.
- Me to

> What will get you noticed is..., links back and forth from every page on two sites, etc. ...there could be a threshold, above which the cross-linking penalty applies.
- That seems sensible

> The idea of linking TO your new site but not back again is the best.
- This seems un-natural to me.