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More PR aparently passed to internal pages.
Our site structures have remained more or less static since last PR update.
SERP positions unchanged for the moment (never better).
PR down -1 for my four sites. Interior pages all have increased PR.
I know PR is not the most important thing but its a bit dissapointing when you have been trying for a long time to increase inbounds to see the PR actually drop!
How many others herre have seen PR drop?
>> 5 sites that previously had PR4s, dropped to PR3s
>> 5 sites that previously had PR5s, dropped to PR4s
>> 2 sites that previously had PR4s, raised to PR5s
>> 2 sites that previously had PR6s, dropped to PR5s
>> 1 site that previously had a PR6, raised to PR7
No rhyme or reason as far as I can tell..
<sidenote> Google.ca, which I'm certain was a PR9, is now a PR8 (can anyone confirm this?)
Visible PR is whole digits, real PR is decimal points, a change of PR up or down may be decimal points and not noticeable on PR displays, toolbar or otherwise.
I use an interesting page rank prediction tool from rusty brick that gives the likelyhood if your site will rise in PR on the next update and gives the percent of increase since last update. while I doubt this is very accurate I can see a change in the percentage when I've been actively been gathering links for a site because it does appear to be quite current.
I've also seen a PR tool that gives the PR in decimal points but don't remember where it was now.
Can anyone help me with forum PR, my forum does get visitors by google results (loads)
Have 2 questions
1) The google search customise tool shows 9000 pages for my forum, but a site:mydomain.com shows 40000 results? When I search for only english results the result drops to 9500 . (though all my site is in english)
Which is true? My site does have over 30000 pages in the forum to be indexed? But are they all indexed.
2) The PR of forum category (phpbb)pages are just 2
The index / page was and is 5 in the present update, but /index.php has dropped to 4.. (earlier both were 5)
Also has anyone seen a phpbb forum without any mod rewrites having a great PR?
I increased links in the previous quarter, but the PR is same (just little drop in some pages)
Otherwise PR for may of my sites increased from 3 --> 5 in this update, but that was due to DMOZ links and my work.
Many thanks everybody, this forum sure helps a lot.
Did anyone take a pr hit on their homepage but internal pages not hit that doesn't get sitewide links to the homepage?
has your PR dropped?
Some of my sites took a hit, and dropped one or two, while other increased one or two. On the whole, I would say the current PR represents the closest true values of my site both in terms of inbound links and the reflected ranking in the serps for a long time (we're talking over a year).
From an accuracy point of view I think this was a pretty good update. I just hope the backlinks will soon make a bit more sense too.
Sites that had incoming sitewide links to the home page seem to be reduced by a one PR unit.
" Sites that had incoming sitewide links to the home page seem to be reduced by a one PR unit. "
My one site dropped from pr = 6 down to 5. Can you explain your quote above?
I have internal links from every page back to my index.html.
I have lots of external links to one page of mine or another.
I don't understand "incoming sitewide links" at all in this context. - Larry
I don't understand this logic too doesn't seem to make sense, don't most sites have intenernal sitewide links back to their homepage?
Issue I proposed was: sitewide links to homepage
which typically means, another site links to your site from every one of it's pages.
What I was fishing for, as of course it's only a theory, was someone to speak up and say 'I can disprove that' or 'not in my case'... someone who has sitewide links from some other site to their homepage, but has not taken a pr hit to the homepage.
Sorry, my bad... is that more clear?
You were referring to incoming links from every page of the REFERRING site!
That would be highly unnatural, obviously paid, and contrary to the high tutnums of Google.
It screams out for a penalty, but no special action is required.
All G has to do is ignore all but the first few links from the referring site.
The revised count would automatically lower PR for the site getting all those phony links.
I have nothing like that set up here.
I can only theorize that the near doubling of pages for my topic caused my drop in PR 6 => 5.
This might also be automatic, i.e. built into the PR calculation algorithm as new sites are indexed.
At least I HOPE that's all it means. - Larry
" I could could put a link on each of my pages to a competitor and decrease there pagerank?"
Could be, but I'm sure not going to try it. This could backfire harming BOTH sites! - Larry
Why is it hitting the homepage and not the internal pages? What is the trend...?
With sitewide links, the theory that another a compeditor could do so it's not the cause is sound, but if several sites give sitewides clearly it's the recipient that is buying them. I tend to go for just de-valuing the effect of the links, but we need to find the cause of this homepage issue.
Is it just that links directly to homepages are now softened in their effect, lowering PR?...
I recently launched a subdomain for which we had a lot of links donated (some sitewide). All to the subdomain homepage and the subdomain homepage came out at a PR4 and the other pages in the subdomain (with no links other than from the homepage) were all PR5's.
we have been gaining links for some internal pages of our site and did not focus on promoting the homepage.
after the update the homepage has higher PR than the promoted pages.
when I perform link: command for the promoted pages, G shows few links for promoted pages and many for the homepage.
even if what G shows about links not true, why that happens?
There is nothing unnatural about sitewide links. In fact they are very natural, and it should be obvious that most are not paid links. Google certainly does not have a penalty-esque view of sitewide links, and shouldn't. They may have a dampening effect on them, but that is no penalty, they are still better to have than single links, by far.
Does everybody see a rise in the number of sites that have been specifically designed for Adsense. Sites that have tons of content but no outward links except for Adsense. I see a lot of such sites gaining positions in SERPs.
A PR site with 10,000 pages: linked to a sub-domain on a seperate IP.
On that subdomain is a directory. The main page has a PR 3. All the categories have a PR 4, and then the categories below the 4 all have 3.
This really looks strange to me.
Dedicated to the more distinct issue of why homepage PR has decrease while internal pages remain the ok.
For the other half, which was dedicated to only the downs in TPR let me add the following , which might help to explain some of details, and has been said on various threads before:
Pagerank - as shown by the toolbar - is a rounded value, which you receive after a final logarithmic operation on that value, which is used within googles iteration process to calculate pagerank.
Because the number of websites increases continuously, with the major authirity-websites gaining more and more incoming links, google from time to time has to change the basis of that logarithmic operation, because otherwise hundreds of larger websites would gain PR10 in the course of time. This is the reason why sometimes even the larger websites seem to lose PR plus their satellites suffering the logical domino-effect.
If your toolbar PR ist e.g. 5 and you want to decide whether this means 5.01 or 5.95, it is quite helpful to compare this value with the green bar given in the google directory, which is said to be the result of a similar logarithmic operation, however with only seven instead of ten categories.
various threads in here plus the knowledge base under [webmasterworld.com...]
comprise a link to searchnerd.com, a website which is said to have explained that issue graphically in detail, but which is obvioulsy broken (at least today). I found a german equivalent under
[#*$!...]
but because I assume this link to be thrown out, maybe one of the moderators might add one of his helpful (english) favourites for everyone's convenience.
