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onedodd

2:00 am on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does a large home page hurt rankings?
Google has my page listed at 84k in the search results.
Thanks

DerekH

9:42 am on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, I don't think they do.
However, if you break a large page into smaller pages, you'll have more PR flowing round your site, because you have more pages.

If you link every page to every other page, then it all averages out and each page has the same PR, regardless of the number of pages on your site.

If you link in an asymmetric or hierarchical way, you can route this extra PR towards chosen pages.

One large page in 1000 pages will make no difference, but 100 large pages in 100 may well benefit from cutting the pages into several pieces.

At the end of the day, though, usability for your visitors is important. 84K sounds like a lot to read. You may scare visitors away rather than keep them on site.
Or you might not!
DerekH

kevinpate

1:29 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> You may scare visitors away

Or they may just give up on your site in frustration, particularly if they are accessing the net via a dial-up connection. If they don't stick around until the page loads, they probably won't come back later.

Jon_King

2:24 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>84K sounds like a lot to read
Onetodd did not mention that it is all text, most likely there are graphics involved.

I have pages at 84k and above that rank very well. I don't think you have a issue here in regards to your rank.

surfgatinho

3:12 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do large pages hurt rankings

No, but content seems to! All the sites I see doing well don't seem to have very much on the page at all.,

Maybe the page itself is 75% irrelevant and it's all off page regardless of how big (or good) the actual page is.

Matt Probert

3:25 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, large pages do hurt ranking. Google only indexes the first 600 (I think it's 600, it may have changed) lines of a page, though quite how long a line can be is another matter. Also, too many links on a page can upset the Google spider. And as has been said, the relevancy of a large page to any particular topic can suffer.

Matt

Jon_King

3:25 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>All the sites I see doing well don't seem to have very much on the page at all.,

Huh, All?

There are tons and tons of sites that are number one in G with much info on the index page.

surfgatinho

4:28 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Huh, All?

OK, I exaggerated! There are plenty of highly ranked sites with good content.
However, I don't beleive 'Content is King' anymore.

Interesting what Matt says, I might do some experimenting based on this

DerekH

4:43 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Onetodd did not mention that it is all text, most likely there are graphics involved.

Indirectly he did - he said the search result showed 84k - that's the size excluding graphics...
DerekH

Jon_King

5:07 pm on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Indirectly he did
Correct he did. Good eye DerekH.

>>Google only indexes the first 600 (I think it's 600, it may have changed) lines of a page

It has been widely discussed here that the G bot stops at approx 100K. Lines has nothing to do with it.

Back to topic
I still don't have any evidence that size will affect ranking, a few months ago a working file of mine that contained 1200 links and was some 400k in size was accidentally placed on our server and it was spidered and ranked well for some terms.

Keep this in mind for larger files, keyword density. Obviously you will need more occurances of a keyword in a 100k file than a 50k file to maintain the same keyword density.

I would simply build a well SEO'd page for the best user experience and go with it IMHO.

BigDave

5:22 am on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The 84k would have been text and HTML code. If there is JS or CSS and they are not loaded from external files, the header could easily be over half of that 84k.

Google absolutely indexes and caches the first 101k. They also follow links and assign PR to links that are beyond the 101k point.

It seems to me, with a minimal amount of testing that they also do indexing of words and possibly simple phrasesbeyond the 101k point, but it appears that they do not index complex phrases. The cached copy might be needed for this, or my tests could be wrong.

I tried to figure out if anchor text beyond 101k was considered, and the results were not clear.

As for whether size of the page hurts, just pay attention while you are doing your day to day searching. There are some mighty big pages that rank on the first page of the results.