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That is to say, should one be checking to see if the sites are out of the sandbox regularly or only when they know there is a major Google update? :)
Thanks
Mc
If google suddenly sees 5 high pr links to a new site it will be suspicious
One thing I am sure you will agree is, sites ranked well doesn't necessarily mean high PR.
What else is better suited than those pages which already rank for your search term to establish theme/hub?, for they are already on theme in the eyes of Google. If that is not good to do then what else is?
[edited by: McMohan at 9:45 am (utc) on Nov. 29, 2004]
Today straight to first page, plus other internal and highly specialised pages are also now appearing all over with great results.
Proof positive, were it needed, of the existence of this sandbox/penalty
Regards
Rod
Has it happened only to one site or do you see any widespread changes in the SERPs?
(Thought sites come out of sandbox during one major update)
I know google should have a breast cancer site ranking better, but you are missing the big picture. Google has been good to many of us, without them we would not have a good and enjoyable income. This discussion is not worthy of inteligent people at the forefront of their industry, no wonder googleguy does not participate. All this back stabbing and talk of 'evil google' etc. is not sensible and quite honestly pathetic. Positive critism is good, but vindictive agression is not. Google deserves some support, especially considering how beneficial in the past they have been to you.
Stop wasting time on 'sandbox' and move on. If google is no longer giving you a free meal ticket then explore new possibilities. They have been pretty good to us and when I hear outrageous threats etc. it just sounds like a bunch of spoilt brats.
No one owes you a living. Take advantage of the amazing position you are in and move forward by exploring new opportunities. They are out there, if you spend all your energy being bitter you will lose out big time.
Positive critism is good and helpful, but Google is for Google to run and trying to bully them is pointless and sad.
I know this won't make me popular.....but think about the great position you are in and stop wasting energy on being bitter.
Big question. Who is this YOU? ;)
Mc
Not you! They know who they are :)
This discussion is not worthy of inteligent people at the forefront of their industry, no wonder googleguy does not participate.
ROFLMAO!
This is your 16th contribution to this thread in the past 24 hours and you say that it's not worthy of "intelligent people". Shall we draw our own conclusions? :)
Stop wasting time on 'sandbox' and move on. If google is no longer giving you a free meal ticket then explore new possibilities.
The situation has changed with the IPO, which was based on their excellence as a free search engine. They are now a commercial entity with responsibilities to their shareholders some of who will no doubt be members here. Google's silence wrt this obvious problem makes it worthy of discussion.
It is unfair to expect the people who build the websites upon which Google's fortune is based, not to be able to give their clients a realistic forecast about the volume of traffic they will receive from Google and when. In their guidelines they make no mention of the fact that new sites are highly unlikely to feature in the SERPS for an indefinite period.
If the sandbox is a "feature" then tell us about it! If it is a defect then admit it, and tell us when they are likely to get it fixed.
Not you! They know who they are
You were right!
Added: MHes - Check our join dates! :)
If MSN will put more effort into their search business, and Google will not fix their index problems and improve the SERPs in the near future, then -- in a very short time -- MSN will be to Google exactly the same, what Google was to Altavista not so long ago.
It's a free market, they say ... and it seems that snowball just starts rolling.
Regards,
R.
Re some of the other posts, free ride , meal ticket etc.
I ask nothing of any search engine other than it list sites in order of relevance (or at least try to).
We all have vested interests but all I would expect from Google is to position my site above a lesser one and below a better one - how new the site is should not be a factor.
Also I do not use any PPC etc so once again I am not asking Google to give me a living just to do what they claim to do, i.e. provide the best and most relevant search results!
Regards
Rod (smiling today)
all I would expect from Google is to position my site above a lesser one and below a better one
Quote of the thread. Only if Google did.
BTW, Rod yours is the only right answer to my original post of this long drawn thread. So, if your case is indeed a case of a site coming out of the sandbox, we have reasons to believe that it can happen anytime, not just in one big major update. Do you see any factor/s that might have been the cause of your site getting back with a Bang?
Thanks
Mc
[added: Rod, which datacenter are you searching?]
I have a new site, new domain 2 weeks old, which is currently performing very well (fingers crossed) and clearly not sandboxed.
I have another thread on it which I will resurrect if and when the new site breaks 10 days without penalty - 4 days to go.
If it does then I believe I know why it got through.
Regards
Rod
Mc
Go to google and search on
Toolbar
Alerts
news
free email
Their products list number one.
I just searched msn and beta.search.msn
beta - Top two results the same as google: 1-cnn,2-moneycentral... MS Money was number 5, not number 1
search.msn - 1-cnn, 2-msn money.. Ms Money was number 5 here too.
Neither ms site pushed a sponsered link at the top for ms money.
(And congratulations.)
I submitted the site to Google three weeks ago but Gbot didn't show. Then about 10 days ago I gave an index page link from a PR6 site that Gbot visits at least daily. Within 24 hours, GBot dropped by the new site and took the index page of the new site. The same thing happened for three days straight. Then on the fourth day, Gbot took everything (spidered deeply).
The new site is in the google cache with a nice site description.
The new site site has only 3 external backlinks (all PR6).
The new site offered fresh content every time Gbot visited.
The new site was on a new domain, that I think was never used before (or atleast hadn't been for a long time as I couldn't find any traces of it being used in the past).
Does it appear that I am out of the sandbox?
It is easy to see in my area how sites and pages should rank as there is very little seo. Consequently the sandbox is glaringly obvious.
Regards
Rod
Or, as many have suggested, are recently created backlinks what are really being sandboxed, regardless of the age of the site?
not seeing much change in the serps in my neck of the woods.
There is a sandbox... there isn't. You shouldn't try and optimise... of course you should... new pages work on old sites but buying old sites doesn't work all the time... and so and so forth...
In summary, (and taking into account that there will always be an exception to the rule/s) what overall recommendations are there (apart from sitting back and doing nothing).
Also, has this topic received any non industry specific mainstream press that you know of?
I have tried everything to get out of sandbox, so sitting back and doing nothing is a good option.
