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11:27 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can google tell where a text link comes from? For example, is there a difference between the following:

1) 1 text link on 1000 different domains for a total of 1000 text links

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2) 1 text link on 1000 subpages on one domain for a total of 1000 text links

2:24 am on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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right now Google seems to consider them the same but I wouldn't bet my future on that remaining that way.
4:22 pm on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Text links from 1000 pages of same website are not better then 1 text link form 1000 different domains on different IP's, but indeed, 1000 links from 1000 pages is too good, helps traffic and passes little PR from all pages based on total number of outgoing links. Cant hurt as long as it is one way..!
4:36 pm on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What determines a different ip? According to google, is ip address 209.59.131.101 different than 209.59.131.102 for serp or pr consideration?
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Good question. Does Google weight the links less if they are coming from the same Class IP? Or is just having it coming from a different IP pool within the same Class C address work just as well?
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Having sites on different IPs used to be the way to go - at least way back in the day when AltaVista was king - but it does not seem to make any dfference now. Google uses other methods to determine linking patterns and if the sites are on diferent IPs it will not help you as Google will still spot the pattern.
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Oh I wouldn't say that. Having them on different IPs and different Class C subnets can make a difference. It's not the only thing G looks at but it is one of them. Just look at the hilltop papers and identifying affiliated sites in an effort to discount links. One of the first things they look at is if the two sites are at the same host (i.e. on the same class C subnet).

Back to the original question.

1000 links from different different domains is different than links from 1000 different pages on one domain.

1000 links from different pages on 1 domain does seem to carry more weight than just 1 link from a domain, it does not have NEAR the effect of 1000 links from 1000 different domains.

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Can someone give an example of ip addresses that have differentClass C subnets? Is there one part of the ip address that is different?
6:19 pm on Oct 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1000 links from different pages on 1 domain does seem to carry more weight than just 1 link from a domain, it does not have NEAR the effect of 1000 links from 1000 different domains.

Yup I would totally agree. But is this because the different domains are on unqiue IP's, or unique Class C ip's? The domain name doesn't matter (in my opinion) if the domains are all on the same IP.

I can't see G looking at domain name, but I can see them looking at the IP, or IP Class. But man that would be alot of data to maintain and factor in...

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Lets say that a good PR site adds a text link to my site on their site. Will google score my site higher if the text link is placed near the top of the site vs near the bottom of the site?
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Well, there is no hard evidence, but I would say position does matter.

This is based on both experience and a bit of common sense. In scoring the relevance of text, it's not uncommon for text near the top to be deemed more important, so it would make sense that a link up on the page would be seen as more important than a link on the bottom.

I have run a few tests on this and it does seem to hold true. Now, these tests are obviously not scientific, but I have run enough of them that I have seen a pattern to feel that, while any link will help, a well positioned link, further up the page, and if possible, within relevant content, will help more.

Anyone else seen this?

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Can someone give an example of ip addresses that have differentClass C subnets? Is there one part of the ip address that is different?

The third node is the C class of the address. (A.B.C.D)

Example 192.232.12.111 is in a different C block than 192.232.53.111

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i just did a whois lookup on a few of my domains and i'm not seeing the IP address listed. is there another way to view this info?
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Type:

ping domain.com

in the command prompt.

regards,
Mark

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Will google score my site higher if the text link is placed near the top of the site vs near the bottom of the site?
same question:position effect score?how?
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1 text link on 1000 subpages on one domain for a total of 1000 text links

A classic way to put your site deep in the Sandbox :)

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Of course, if you've got 1000 text links from your own site's internal pages, you don't have to worry about hilltop ;-)
12:09 pm on Nov 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1 text link on 1000 subpages on one domain for a total of 1000 text links

A classic way to put your site deep in the Sandbox :)

MC what exactly do you mean. Are you talking about having for aexample a link in the footer on another related site that points to another of your domains?
I don't see how this could get you penalised.

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I don't see how this could get you penalised

Sandbox is not a penalty. It is just the lag time, may be the lag for better scrutiny of the site to establish its credential or to discourage the text link buying, no one is sure.

The fact is, a natural website is an entity in the enormous network of WWW. Website linked with unrelated (read Hilltop) MANY sites is natural. Website linked from related/unrelated single site/many pages is NOT natural.

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"is NOT natural"

Of course it is (or like anything, it can be natural or it might not be). I can't imagine why you would think otherwise.

The most natural thing on the web is for web pages to contain advertisements to make money.

"Website linked with unrelated (read Hilltop) MANY sites is natural."

And this of course is completely backwards. Guestbook spamming is not natural. Links from *many* unrelated sites is almost always very unnatural (again like everything, sometimes it will be natural, but usually not).

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Of course it is (or like anything, it can be natural or it might not be). I can't imagine why you would think otherwise.

The most natural thing on the web is for web pages to contain advertisements to make money.

Agree. But the context in which I said that is different. It is about whether 1000 votes from 1000 voters count for more or is it 1000 votes from ONE noisy voter. My suspicion is, it is the former.

Did some one say, I have paid that noisy voter to yell "ayes" 1000 times to my candidature? :) If I did, I deserve to lose.

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"It is about whether 1000 votes from 1000 voters count for more or is it 1000 votes from ONE noisy voter. My suspicion is, it is the former."

That concept has nothing to do with what is "natural". And in fact there should be a great supposition that it is unnatural, and such links should raise a red flag. I believe Google is clearly valuing such unnatural junk links now, but I suspect they will wise up next major algo change.

1000 votes from one voter is simple, straightforward, natural and easy to evaluate. 1000 individual votes is much harder to evaluate. Most of the time it will be evidence of trash, while the minority of the time it will be evidence of high value.

Current algo aside, in the long run, I suspect the 1000 individual links will be much better for quality sites and much worse for piffly junk -- at least this is how it should be.

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I see this debate everywhere, unnatural, natural links.

Here is my viewpoint,

It is natural for humans to create advertising links to make money (as pointed out previously).

It is also natural for humans to create links to bluster there PR.

I see a lot of people argue this and conclude that there for the links are natural as that is the way the web works.

But I have to agree with MC, at least I think I agree with you...

A natural link in my eyes is one that is pure and there as a genuine vote, at least that is what the search engines are interested in and therefore what we are interested in.

Back to the original point:

I would have thought that 1000 links from the same domain, IP, etc would have little influence on PR.

I would be interested to know what you think about 1000 links from 1000 different servers completely but from only 1-page sites with very relevant content? Also how important it would be that each page had different content rather than them just being clones. Too easy…?

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I would say that 1000 links on 1000 different servers ( different class c's) point to a site with little content , would make it a winner.
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YEY! Bring on googles next round of indexing then!

Would all the pages need to have differnt content, or caul they be exact replicas of each other?

Surely google would have spotted this. 1000 sites all the same just on different class c's all pointing to the same page!

I live by if it seems to good to be true.

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Having one page sites isn't necessarily bad, but each of those sites will also need inbound links to them for their links to your main site to have any weight at all.

How would you get enough unique links pointing to each of the 1000 different 1 page sites for their links to be of any benefit? If you could, then it would likely work, but that would be a feat in and of itself.

As for content, yes they would need different content or else G's dup filter would pick them up and discard them.

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I would say that 1000 links on 1000 different servers ( different class c's) point to a site with little content , would make it a winner.

I totally agree

Did some one say, I have paid that noisy voter to yell "ayes" 1000 times to my candidature? :) If I did, I deserve to lose.

Depending on the PR of that one saying yes 1,000 times, would be like the electoral colleges vote vs the mass of the popular vote... which one "deserves" to win is irrelevant considering the final result.

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The IP has nothing to do with it. Class C neurosis is out of control.

What you need to focus on is getting unique links partners -- Google is very adept at identifying link clusters.

I have access to 1700 high PR links on one domain, and I can tell you they only go so far. The benefit is the high PR -- but that isn't enough. The more "clusters" that link to you, the more *true* links Google perceives.