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This is true for about 2 weeks. Then Google goes all evil on your arse and 0 pageranks you because (I think!)
(a) It sees a big circular link pattern and doesn't like it. Not natural. A bit like Pamela Anderson's bits but less "blobby"
(b) It sees the same kind of link text on every site, on the frontpage and possibly flags this as a duplicate/dodgy looking bit of content and therefore hands the sites a poo penalty.
Of course, I may be totally wrong. But don't risk it.
Just link exchange with sites that are similar to yours and don't be temptated to link to any credit card sites or casino sites as I'm sure Google is spending extra amounts of time on these kind of pages 0 pageranking them so the owners will buy the new PPC ads ;)
I have a forum type thing on my site, and at the bottom of everypageis a copyright notice, and the notice thing links back to my homepage..
Their gonna take me down for this??
My PR has gone from 5 to 4 .. Is this why??
HHEEEELLLLPPPP MMEEEEEEE
NO
cross linking sites is the issue, not within the site.
From 5 to 4 sounds like you may have lost some inbound links, or the inbound links were discounted if deemed too "reciprocal".
(edited by: john316 at 1:12 am (utc) on Feb. 21, 2002)
Yes my reciprocal links went from 74 to 50,,,, well one of the www's still gives me a 74 but the others give a 50 - whats going on there??
There are entire domain farms out there of a few dozen to thousands of domains with sites owned all by the same person/company. These types of domain farms, are all interlinked to build link pop. An se can spot that by running a simple web map, or cross linking filter to X out obviously recip links.
This effects the rules of how new sites need to collect links differently than establisted sites. I am considering percentage elements of links pointing toward a site. New sites with somebody that understands the old rules could now find themselves out of favor with the new rules. The change in the rule being what is an acceptable percentage of links from one or a few high rating sites. And, maybe an increased concern if the only sites linking to you are themselves interlinked togeather.
An established site has a different incoming link structure than (a new site /read (or)/ a spam site supported by high PRs linking to it). They have a high percentage of independent sites linking to them. This may provide a limited blessing from PR0. Therefore the new rules mean incoming links to a site depend on a precondition of the site. With such a shift in paradigms i would expect an echo from sites that get links from sites which are infected by the PR0.
I know where this leaves me not by a complere understanding of the algo but instead by my PR. I am to close to the edge and nearly over the top. I fear PR0 and run away from it.
Because of my crosslinking all of the sites in the cross link have received some sort of poison.
Personally, I don't blame Google. It was my bloody fault for doing this and I can quite understand if their bots thought I was spamming.
The main problem is getting this penalty lifted.... :(
How refreshing! Most folks come in claiming "my site is pure as the driven snow" ; being honest with your mistakes can lead to solutions.
suggestion:
You need to "unlink" all of the reciprocals that no longer show up in the "link:www.whatever.com". If others are linking to you, it is out of your control, just don't link back.
So basically www.existingdomain.com has a link to the new www.newdomain.com. But not visa versa?
Is this ok?
My links page has about 50 entries that all reciprocate. (I also have another 20 links to sites who do not link-back.) Add this to 75 other pages in my domain that link-back to the index page. Google currently says a total of approx 500 link to my site, so that's 1/4 and (knock on wood) my site is still in Google's graces.
A link, should not be a problem, 5 or 6 links apiece from a few sites which are already interlinked ... kinda looks like you are using the sites you already have to build up a site that would not normally have so many links so fast, doesn't it. Watch the percent of links you are providing to a site. if you are providing 10 links and 100% of the links are your 10 links ... well it looks like you are tring to make google like that other site. Just an objective IMHO thing.
The percent I suspect is set rather high on this index. But i am sure they can adjust it when they want.
>> But is erasing all reciprocals and crosslinks going to actually get these domains back into google?
Just my humble opinion, I think once you have made the changes the PR0 goes away. I mean you get your old PR back.
You can mess with your site too much and wind up derating your rank on other search engines that are sources of good commerical traffic.
Be sure you know who is sending you your bread and butter traffic before you get carried away with changes to try to make Google happy.
Think about this for a moment ... aren't most MSN and most AOL surfer/searchers living in the US and packing one of those online-shopping-essential credit cards? If you're a surfer located in other parts of the world are you likely to use MSN or AOL portal searches? I doubt it! And are you likely to be packing a Chase Manhatten Visa card? I doubt that too. Are you even likely to ordering online from US merchants? I really doubt that. And if you're one of these ex-US surfers that don't buy much from the US online, what search engines are you likely to be using when looking for information but not to buy something? Probably a well-recognized stand-alone search engine like Google.
IMHO people should concentrate effors on the quality of traffic, not the quantity.
That's true up to a point, but the fact remains that traffic is cheap (unless you're buying PPC listings) and more traffic is likely to mean more revenue. If it takes 60% more traffic to get 40% more revenue, that's still better than not having 40% more revenue.
If I thought a 60% increase in traffic, souced from Google, would increase my revenues by 40% I would really be hustling to get Google traffic. But that's not my experience.
I have two sites that got hit with Google PR0 in late November of last year, and have not yet returned to normal PR. My traffic immediately dropped about 50%. However, my revenues didn't seem to notice and December became a near record month.
I'd love to get Google traffic back because the traffic numbers do look great and it must add something to my revenues, but my real efforts at getting traffic are directed at the other search engines. January, February and March of this year have each set new revenue records with almost no Google traffic (I still get a few visitors from ODP pages that show up in the Google directory).
You notice a site in your logs that has a link to you, so you link back to it to ensure Google finds the link.
Or: is it better they just link to you and you don't reciprocate?
