Does a good PR really help in a good listing?

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Does a good PR really help in a good listing?

a stupid question i guess

sidyadav

10:06 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

A few days ago, my site had a PR0, it was number four for a phrase with 200,000 results. I then got a PR4, but nothing changed. All the keywords I was listed in still remained the same.

Has anyone got stories like mine or are am I the only person with "nothing changed"?

Or can someone point me to a thread where its proven that getting a good PR really helps the listing.

Sid

cbpayne

10:38 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

You probably could have already had a PR4 internally within Google prior to the update of the publically available PR through the toolbar. PR is only one of numerous factors taken into account when Google ranks a page. So a low or PR0 can still rank well if it does well on all the other factors (eg keyword(s) in anchor text of links; on-page optimization; etc)

Ove

10:49 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

sidyadav

I can say of my own experience, that i dont belive in this pr talk, sure it can help you with links to you, but i dont belive that it is the way to go and i would not spend to much time on getting links, iam doing very well without all those links.

If a site with alot of links and high pr ranks well is it of the high pr that site is in the top? I think that question will nenver be answered.

I dont think so i think its a good site with the basic or good seo work.

I know there is alot of people that not agree with me on this one, but this works for me.

/Ove

sidyadav

11:31 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I totally agree with you Ove, the listing I got was totally optimized, I didn't care about the PR or anything, I did some basic SEO, and it was in there within the next update, although, florida didn't interfere with this listing or anything.

I just checked the no.1,2 and 3 lists - turns out, they've ones got a PR3, but they are more optimized than I am.
Just optimize your pages good, and you'll get a good listing, I don't think theres any use of getting 300 backlinks if you're a good optimizer. ALthough, PR does help for keywords like:
[google.com...]
[google.com...]
[google.com...]

and all the "big ones".

Sid

ThomasB

4:01 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

The PR is no more important these days in most areas. But it depends on the competition and the market you're in if PR is helpful or not.

nileshkurhade

4:14 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does a good PR really help in a good listing?

My site is PR5 and i have many competitors that have PR6+ sites. My site is number one in majority of our keywords.

So higher PR = higher rankings, currently i doubt this.

CygnusX1

4:30 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

My websites PR is a 6, and I get in the top 10 of almost any keyword phrase I go after. I agree that the PR is not a huge factor. I do believe it does have a certain amount of weight just like anything else. I don't think you should disregard it, but keep in mind that the PR is just one factor of many that helps in your listings.

Keep all the factors in mind when you make a webpage and you will most likely do well. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket. I think everyone will agree with that. :)

Marketing_C

5:36 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

A good PR might not be as important anymore to get a good ranking for a certain keyword but it is certainly still important to get many pages with a good ranking. A certain minimum PR seems to be necessary for a ranking and the more initial PR you have the more internal pages you have with that minimum PR.

nileshkurhade

5:39 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Everybody knows Google has has a PR11. But try using the keyword "search".

>>Altavista is the first in SERPs.

So you the get the answer, how important PR is, but is defeinetly one of the factor.

BigDave

6:04 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

To answer your question in the title "Does a good PR really help in a good listing?"

The answer is absolutely!

PR is only on factor, so it will not guarantee you good positioning, but it does "help".

Toolbar PR is usually updated quite a while after Google has started using the new PR internally with the new system.

Ove

6:11 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please give me some evedence that only pagerank give you boost.

/Ove

John_Shaw

6:12 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Keep in mind that there is a PR for a site. But your position in a search depends upon the words used. If you have a site about widgets with a PR 6, title and content all about widgets with a single mention of thingamajigs, in a search on widgets you may rank very high but a search on thingamajigs you will rank very low.

My site is at the very top if the search term matches the primary subject of the site, but very low when the search term is related to a subject covered very briefly, not a part of the title or headings.

It seems that PR helps, but is just one factor.

BigDave

6:47 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ove,

Re-read my post. I never said that "only" PR gives you a boost. A good PR1 page can beat out a lousy PR6 page. But if they are equal everywhere else, the the PR6 page will kick the PR1 page all over the SERPs.

The thing is that pages are never equal. PR is only a factor, but it is still a factor. Ignore it at your own risk.

Ove

6:53 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

wanna_learn

9:05 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

BigDave
"A good PR1 page can beat out a lousy PR6 page"

What does Good and lousy mean here?
:-)

I think that is the Key

BigDave

9:06 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

It means what google decides that it means.

Crush

9:47 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

It works. I saw a clown recently get a link from a PR7 with a redirect. He is straight in at #2

John_Caius

11:34 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I haven't seen any change in SERPs or traffic since all my pages (400) went from PR0 to PR4-7 in late December. Still waiting. My theory at the time was that PR and backlink update must now precede recalculation of SERPs, but I'm slowly losing confidence in that theory. Traffic remains extremely disappointing given the volume of new content on the site.

sidyadav

12:05 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

In some forum I asked a question, "Why did Google make PR?" , I always thought the answer was "To keep the SPAM out", but received a reply "It was only a University project."

I agree with BigDave. If a PR1 is more optimized than a PR6 page, it will appear first for the keyword. Bur if they are the same optimized, PR6 will beat PR1. I totally agree. This is somewhat very similar to Gigablast's Gigaboost, did the same thing, except you had to link to the site.

Sid

BigDave

1:13 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

sidyadav,

No I don't agree with what you just said. You said an optimized PR1 will beat a less optimized PR6, whereas I said that it can beat it.

The is a huge difference between the meaning of those two words. For and established page, a PR1 would have to rank a lot better in other areas to beat an on topic PR6.

BigDave

1:39 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Okay, here is a real example that the moderators will hopefully let pass. Do a search on "pavlov".

It is a very common name. I'm sure that there are lots of commercial sites that have pavlov in their name. But none of the results on the first page of the SERPs are commercial in nature, and none of them have undergone any SEO for the name pavlov.

What to they all have in common? follow the links and watch the little green bar. In fact one of them with a PR7 only mentions the word at the bottom of the page in the author's copyright notice.

And I really doubt that nobel.se does any optimization at all.

a_chameleon

1:40 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

The PR is no more important these days in most areas. But it depends on the competition and the market you're in if PR is helpful or not.

Amen. I've had a site w/ minimal PR & 3 inbound links suddenly out-rank sites w/ much better PR, far more inbound links.

Take a look at my profile; My "Hopmepage" is now this page (for easy reference) and my "Interests" is the 3-word search term this ancient, old framestyle, amateurish site has zoomed to No. 1 in. Then look at the competiton this abandoned-in-'98 site has suddenly out-ranked.

;)

BigDave

1:56 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

a_chameleon,

Your page has a PR5 which is better than the PR of any other page that came up in the pirst page of the SERPs. That certainly does not count as being "minimal PR".

sidyadav

2:20 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, if I were to optimize for "widgets foo bar", I don't think it will need a good PR to get in first, just a little optimizing will do. Except, if I were to optimize for "widgets", which is a very popular keyword, I'd need a good PR.
I guess one way you can check if a good PR is needed for a certain keyword is by visiting the top 10 results and determining how much they have optimized and the PR they have, as BigDave said, if its "lousy optimized" and has a "low" PR, don't bother getting links if you are optimizing only for that keyword, but if you're optimizing for certain keywords, and in either one of them, a good PR is needed, you will need one as well.

somewhat makes sense.
Sid

kazonik

7:44 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

SEO 101:

In the most simplistic terms, your rank in the google SERPs for any given keyword set will be:

OnPageFactors x OffPageFactors = Position In SERP

When your competitors all have a low PR, OnPageFactors can often be enough to secure a top 10 spot in the SERPs.

When your competitors all have a high PR, you can improve your position in the SERPs only to a certain degree without improving your PR.

p.s. TR-PR is coming your way!