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My test results on backlinks

% of keywords in anchor text

         

Drum

5:59 am on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My site has hit the Google "filter" and is number 160 for a pretty competitive kw phrase (it was #7 before Florida). So I decided to test why I am #160 by just looking at the back-link anchor text to my site. I used ATW for research in finding the back-links.

I have 158 back-links for my site and here is the breakdown of how the anchor text is used (what is displayed in the anchor text):

Company name 41%
URL 23%
Banner 2%
keyword phrase - company name 20%
keyword phrase 14%

So then I decided to look at what is number one for that keyword phrase (26 backlinks, same PR as mine)

URL 58%
Company name – keyword phrase 42%

So then I looked at number two (163 back-links, same PR)

Company name 24%
URL 21%
Banner 26%
company name - keyword phrase 24%
keyword phrase 5%

I did two more sites and I noticed the trend was that % for “company name - keyword phrase” decrease as I went down the list.

I thought to myself maybe it has to do with order of the keyword phrase:
“company name - keyword phrase” (does this do better?)
“keyword phrase - company name” (does this do worse?)

So then I found another site like mine that has the “filter” applied too. (This site was ranked 250 with similar PR and 89 back-links).

keyword phrase - company name 98%
keyword phrase 2%

So I am coming to the conclusion that if you are going to use keywords in anchor text of your back-links you should position the "company name" or something else before the keyword phrase.

Has anyone else noticed this? I know there are a lot of other parameters at play here, but I thought this might be one small part of the puzzle.

caveman

2:30 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Note of caution. Be careful about concluding that if you make changes and don't see positive changes in the SERP's after a few days, that it didn't work.

Sometimes you need to wait for important cycles. ;-)

yankee

3:27 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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caveman,

When do you expect the next cycle to hit? When was the last cycle? My serps have been the same for over 6 weeks, i.e. stale.

londoh

11:55 am on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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one of my sites that used to be (pre Florida) at no1 or no2 for allinanchor:kw1 kw2, or kw1 kw2 kw3 has disappeared completely from those allinanchor searches (as it has for the kw1 kw2, , kw2 kw3, kw1 kw2 kw3 searches too!)

link text is mostly 'company name' + 2 or 3 variations from kw1 kw2 kw3 kw4.

However... another site is now showing up at 10 for allinanchor:kw1 kw2
BUT none of the backlink have kw1 kw2 anywhere near the links? bizzare!

FWIW: all my backlinks dropped on 10 Jan. PR seems to be still the same

caveman

1:23 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yankee, you know what I'm referring to: PR updated, backlinks updated...

Lately I'm getting the feeling from some posters that they make changes without fully understanding what elements of the algo they are addressing, and noting when those elements update across the dc's. ("Gee I made this change to my internal backlinks three days ago and nothing...guess it didn't work.")

To be honest, we never try to anticipate the timing of various component updates....doing that takes our eye of more important work.

But if/when we make important changes designed to help us with SE's, we note when the changes were made, and watch the related component of the SERP's that would indicate an update, to see what impact the changes might have had. And often even then it's hard to know with certainty what happened, since the algos are now being constantly tweaked, or so it seems. Then there are competitive activity changes, etc.

Drum

2:36 pm on Jan 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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PatrickDeese,

I used ATW and Alexa for my research.

Drum

5:41 am on Jan 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If any of you are interested, I did some re-checking on the number #1 listing for my competitive keyword phrase and found a few dead backlinks - so I thought I would update the percentages to my first post in this thread:

URL 27%
Company name – keyword phrase 73%

Again, I am interested in anyone else that can reinforce my results.

domokun

12:18 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good spot. Its the same in my industry field - finance

adfree

2:08 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am with steveb on that topic.

How can an artificially or mathematically generated anchor text be most user friendly?

Drum

2:39 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Things have reversed since the last update. Now the positioning of anchor text in my area doesn't matter.

born2drv

8:49 am on Feb 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps what you're seeing is Google's way of trying to match the anchor text with on page criteria.

Ie. if link text is "Company Name - keyowrd keyword" and the title or h1, h2, etc are all "company name - keyword keyword" then the link text is valid.

However if the link ext is "keyword keyword - Company Name" and everything on the site doesn't quite match, then the link text is devalued.

Just a theory.... it would make sense in this case because most people almost always use "Company Name - keyword keyword" in their title, etc.

Drum

2:43 pm on Feb 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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born2drv, that is an interesting idea, I have a few other sites that are not doing well and have the keyword 1st in the title - I will try reversing it.

Robert Charlton

6:49 pm on Feb 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a few other sites that are not doing well and have the keyword 1st in the title - I will try reversing it.

This is not cause and effect. This is coincidence. I have some pages with the keyword 1st in the title that are doing very well. I have some where just the opposite is true. What can I conclude from this?... probably not much. There are 99 or so other factors operating on each page.

A controlled experiment of some sort would involve keeping all other factors the same and simply changing the title and comparing results... and even this might be different for different pages with different word order in text and in headings, different inbound link text, different competition, etc.

yowza

8:06 pm on Feb 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Based on my site's results, this is exactly what is wrong.

Thanks for the analysis!

steveb

10:27 pm on Feb 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"This is coincidence"

The never ending pursuit of that JUST ONE THING that explains everything leads to much very illogical behavior.

yowza

7:10 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was number 1 for a year until this last update. I then dropped to 6. Yesterday, after reading this thread, I analyzed the other sites that had jumped above mine. I noticed that I was the only one in the top ten that had my keyword phrase at the start of my title tag.

Yesterday I made one small change. I changed my title tag to have the business name first and the keyword phrase second.

After that one change I jumped up to number 2 in one day! The date on the Google result says Feb. 29th, so I know that it was caused by that change.

steveb

10:10 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"so I know that it was caused by that change."

No, you don't.

Robert Charlton

10:29 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've just seen a bunch of changes in Google for pages I haven't touched.
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