Allinanchor and File Names

were they always included?

[glengara]

Seems G is including KWs from file names in their allinchor calculations, is this a recent development, or did I miss that class?

Did an allinanchor search for Widget Resources, and then followed the links of one of the top results.
Thankfully there were only four, and this is what I found:

1. Page itself
2. Just the Url www.*****.com/webmaster-resources-widget.html
3. Anchor text - Webmaster Resources and Widget Guides
4. Again just the Url ****.com/webmaster-resources-widget.html

If recent, could it be a means of diluting the weight of anchor text while keeping the concept?

[steveb]

"If using and repeating KW in folder names is considered spam by Google you'd never know it by looking at my competitors."

It takes five seconds to look at the serps. Obviously Google is not penalizing keywords in URL strings. Hyphens and multihyphens are everywhere.

I don't know what you are thinking on this caveman, but you're completely backwards here.

[caveman]

Hey steveb...

I see the same thing you do in the SERP's.

Notice any difference between the keyword sets that have been heavily filtered, and those that have not, wrt this issue?

Again, I really hope I'm wrong, but those examples we're seeing all over the Web; I fear we're looking at the 'other shoe' that hasn't dropped yet.

FWIW, I know of quite a few categories in which, for example, "kw1 kw2 place1" got hammered, but "kw1 kw2 place7" did not...at all. And the file names in those two sets of SERP's look...well...quite different.

:-(

[Bobby]

Taken together, these elements might generate some type of OOP score

Caveman I couldn't agree more.

It seems to me that there is some sort of point system which triggers a filter, but just what forms the basis is a mystery.

I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that file names and/or folders are being targeted but they may be counted equally just as words or phrases on a page are.

From what I've seen there are certain combinations that trigger this filter, much more than individual words.

Rshandy, I have experienced the exact same thing as you with KW1 KW2 and KW3 making my site disappear when previously it was near the top. Any combination of only 2 KWs will bring it back.

The thing that makes me wonder is that the domain name uses all 3 of these words...

[caveman]

Unfortunately, it's all still educated guesswork at this point.

As many have noted, there is no element that by itself (unless done to extreme), seems to cause a problem. It's easy to find exceptions for any single-element 'rule.'

I know of one site that has KW density of 25% for a heavily filtered three word search, yet that site #1 in the post Florida SERP's, whereas all their competitors got slammed and replaced with .gov's, .edu's etc. It's almost certainly a variety of elements judged collectively. And I may be wrong but it appears that the bar is set at different heights, depending upon the kw's, though I'm not sure how that would be built into an algo or poison words list.

Also, FWIW, people seem to be focusing mainly on what might trigger the filter. There's another aspect to this: absence of positives.

[seofreak]

web design sites with web-design-city-country in subdomains and folder names have risen in my case.