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OK - To change or not to change?

When should we start rewriting lost pages?

         

MHes

7:14 pm on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've held off making any changes to a site that had top rankings and now appears occasionally for a few keywords. Traffic down 50%, most of the current traffic is from elsewhere.

In times gone by I have been effected by an update and slowly reappeared after a few days, but this time there is little evidence of a recovery.

The BIG question: Is Google broken and will they fix it, or are they happy and things are not going to change.

I feel they should let us know eitherway, because we want to help them rank good quality sites, namely our own :) If they are about to change things again then perhaps they realise that many good sites have suffered and it is their mistake. If they are happy with the new index then I suppose their silence is an indication of that, however, how they can be happy with endless 'stats' pages etc. in the top positions I shall never know.

Come on Google, Are you fixing things or not?

bekyed

12:31 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, come to think of it googleguy is very silent, only seems to join in bretts threads now have you noticed that?
Personally i think google boffins have tested the results beforehand pressed the magic button and not realised just how much of a mess they have made of the update and will put this right eventually, they have to if you think about it or else they will end up like northern light - remember them - good for information but no good for shopping.

bek.

bekyed

12:33 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps if we keep on maybe someone at the googleplex will take notice and realise they are committing financial suicide - except on adwords of course.

:(

tantalus

12:45 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've started making new pages for the interim it seems a more win/win situation given the circumstances.

Bek I've also noticed GG following Brett around the posts.

mquarles

12:45 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you are counting on getting pre-Florida results back, it's time to stop waiting. It's not going to happen.

On the other hand, I would not focus on messing with existing stuff, especially if it is doing well on existing engines other than the great Google God. Build new sites for what the new Google wants.

tantalus--if you have a page on your site that has been shunted, you may find it more difficult to get Google to play with a new page on the same site than it is to get Google to play with a new page on a new site.

MQ

[edited by: mquarles at 12:47 am (utc) on Dec. 3, 2003]

Stefan

12:46 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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MHes, it looks like what we have now is what we'll get for the foreseeable future... one has to think that it isn't premature for commercial sites that got hammered to try to figure out a new approach. Maybe things will suddenly revert to pre-Florida, but it seems doubtful at this point... (Just my opinion; I run one .org site that didn't have problems).

Yes, come to think of it googleguy is very silent, only seems to join in bretts threads now have you noticed that?

If you were him, would you stick your head into this hornet's nest?

oodlum

1:27 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The BIG question: Is Google broken and will they fix it, or are they happy and things are not going to change.

If you are counting on getting pre-Florida results back, it's time to stop waiting. It's not going to happen.

I'd wait a few days. I believe big changes are rolling through as we speak. Filters are rolling back and SERPs are updating similar to pre-Florida for many phrases.

I've made a few other posts to this effect but no one has picked up on it, so maybe I'm just going crazy.

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MHes

8:44 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"you may find it more difficult to get Google to play with a new page on the same site than it is to get Google to play with a new page on a new site. " - mquarles

I think that is interesting, the big worry is that domains get tainted with some kind of 'bad boy' label rather than individual pages. I suppose the smart move is to put effort into new sites.... sigh.

Anybody made changes and recovered?

deanril

8:57 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree, I have pages on my site that would rank good in the "new Google" but dont, have made some new pages as well, no effect, I guess my Domaine is a bad boy....

However I just launched a new site in what I think the "new google" wants will see what happens.

bekyed

11:10 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Let us know dean please

Bek.

nakulgoyal

1:06 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I got a new website up last week and it has a PR4 with 70% of the website indexed. Total pages: 2000. Indexed over 1500 till date. I am happy.

Subpages have PR2 as of now. Let's see what happens next. That alone is driving me lots of traffic.

Stefan

1:16 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PR already? Brutal, congrats....

I just have one site, but have had about 10 new pages crawled and listed in the last week... they mostly show PR0, (not sure if I noted the PR for all of them), but are right up there in the serps. The Rolling Update continues to roll.

[edited by: Stefan at 1:19 am (utc) on Dec. 4, 2003]

DRGather

1:18 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think that's the FIRST I've heard of any PR changes since the last shift towards the end of November. And even during that update it took like... Oh I don't know... 7 days maybe before the results were fully distributed across all the DC's. You're saying you got all that done in like 7 days AND got an updated PR4 when nobody else has? That's nuts. You need to toss some of your fairy dust on the rest of us.

greenfrog

2:48 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am not a big fan of the current Google results. I used to use G as a primary research tool, no matter what I was looking for. A short while before thier recent update G's SERPS started dropping off, now they have fallen off of the map.

Previously, even when I knew what site I wanted to see results from, I would use google because the toolbar made it so convenient and G had alredy done the indexing for me.

Now G provide's such poor results that I simply go directly to the site that I know I want to read a post from. It seems as if G shook things up for no particular reason, because their beta testers could not have O.K'd these results.

One prime example of this for me, is when I try to search for help on JAVA programming, or ASP.NET programming, or any type of tech documentation. I find their results to be pathetic. I was a big fan of G...now I'm pulling for the Looksmart Bot!

Just my 2-cents.