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hence all the crap sites in the serps
What?!? You mean the sites that aren't keyword stuffing are getting a look in! Oh my God! What's the world coming to!?! ;)
I must say I've had some weird results in the last week - the pages are fine on some keywords / phrases and beyond 100 for others where they used to be top 10.
I do have a malicious competitor that I received word filed an erroneous report with google.My lawyer has already sent him a C&D several months ago but he won't give up. It borders on harrassment. Does anyone know the proper procedure for contacting google to dispute his complaint. It's pure jealousy on his part but he is very malicious.
joined:Oct 27, 2001
One of my index pages with a #1 ranking has disappeared, but an inside page is in the #5 position for the same keyphrase, so I assume this is just a temporary glitch.
That happened to me, then a couple of days later even my internal pages dropped :(
It will all come back, eventually :)
I've looked at over 15 "lost index pages". All 15 were webmaster fault.
Your right but I think in my case my index pages are still in Google just been replaced by internal pages.
I think we have two issues where by some have lost the index.htm altogether and others have had their normal ranking paged replaced by an internal page.
This I believe is just an update glitch which time will tell, as we have been here before.
Then I decided to redesign my site (which had become a beast). I guess I must have loaded it up within hours of this google shake up? None of my page titles or text had changed - I just tidied my files up and changed the nav bar.
Anyway all of a sudden I'm nowhere for my main keywords and just before the Christmas rush too! You think this is temporary and will sort itself out right?....because that would be nice.
joined:Oct 27, 2001
1) Single-keyword links pointing to those sites; and--just as important--
2) The fact that the links point to separate domains (which happen to have redirects that take the user to an internal index page).
In other words, if I have an information site about doughnuts called Doughnuts.com with a subsite about crullers:
- A "Crullers" navigation link on my Doughnuts.com index page points to crullers.com, which is widely recognized as a leading source of information on crullers.
- Crullers.com redirects to doughnuts.com/crullers/index.htm--not for SEO reasons, but because it's cheaper and more convenient for me to have my several "site within a site" pages under the doughnuts.com domain than to host each separately. (Or at least it seemed that way back in 2001 when I set up my current doughnuts sites.)
It's possible that Google just sees a couple of thousand pages on my site pointing to other domains such as crullers.com (even though they're actually internal pages) and thinks "Aha, something sneaky is afoot." If those links had pointed to the internal URLs, such as doughnuts/com/crullers/index.htm instead of crullers.com, Google might have figured "These are okay, because they're internal links, not external links" and left the index pages alone.
(Obviously, Google can't be too agressive in filtering single- or double-keyword internal links, because that wouldn't make sense. A site like llbean.com is obviously going to use a keyword like "parkas" for its parkas section, for example, just as doughnuts.com is going to use the single keyword "crullers" for an internal page about crullers.)
Anyway, I'm going to change my internal links from "crullers.com" to "doughnuts.com/crullers/index.htm" as a precautionary measure, and with luck that will solve the problem over time if Google continues to use its very aggressive single-keyword/external link filter.
[edited by: europeforvisitors at 8:18 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]
I think you guys saying they will come back are wishing, but in fact I do not think they are coming back.
I also notice the under my keywords on two of the keywords the total search results went from 700,000 to over 1,000,000 that over 300,000 new pages to compete with some of which have done a better job than I have at SEO or are just lucky to have the right mix of what google is looking for. All of my top pages have dropped the only ones that have stayed the same are those in non competitive catagories. This leads me to believe that better pages are now in the index than I was competeing with before rather than an alg change. Any way this really does SUCK!
But it all part of SEO.
Man, all these people going on about index pages missing and a lot of them are only that.
At the same time, for months my rankings for a couple search terms stunk in part because the pages with those keywords had URLs like site.com/pages/zy/page1.html Bottom line the URL didn't have any useful words in it, and was kinda long. So I moved the pages to like site.com/how-to-widget/ I changed all the links and (again because I can't use 301) I left a page in the old slot that was blank except saying something like "click link for new page location". I knew now that the old page had no links it would fade out of the index in a month or so and I'd delete it, but till then it would catch a bit of traffic and send it to the right place.
First thing, Google crawls /how-to-widget/ right away. It gets a white bar. A few days later the bar goes grey as Google recognizes it as duplicate content of page1.html -- but it will still appear in the serps if you search for keyword -page1, which excludes my old page.
All of the above is normal and what I expected. Now the strange part. It turns out that my old page1.html is crawled by Google on its own, even though there are now no links to it. So in the cache for page1.html we now see the mostly blank page with links to the new page location. I figure this is great as this should make the new /how-to-widget/ page appear in the serps now because Google doesn't recognize it as duplicate content, right? Wrong. When I looked at the cache of /how-to-widget/ I was shocked to see the new cache of page1.html (just the blank page with a link), even though the /how-to-widget/ page is itself crawled everyday.
In other words my content was now cached nowhere -- however, page1.html was still showing in the serps based on the old content, not the cache. It was like Google was remembering these two pages as duplicates, was ranking them based on that content, but was showing caches on both for the new/nearly-blank page1.html text.
I've now gone and added links to the old page, so Google is now cacheing the new page and the old page with different content, so the problem will be solved in a day or two, but the point is, I'm thinking that Google has increased its policing of duplicate content, and it still has some bugs in that.
If a search for "page title" for the index used to show up on the first page, try it again, eg "widgets r us", then add onto the URL of the Google search page, in the address bar, "&filter=0" then hit it again. This can show the duplicate domain.com and www.domain.com pages. <Added> hmm... not sure if that helps in the slightest. It found the www.domain.org/?theirsite.com link for us </added>
[edited by: Stefan at 11:27 pm (utc) on Nov. 23, 2003]