Google SEO longterm?

[layer8]

I had a site, SEO was done, was in top rankings for about 2 months then overnight for no reason site was positioned way down the rankings. All practices were ethical and it seemed no point or logic to this what happend to me.

If you speak to all the best Internet Marketing Pros they tell you SEO is a waste of time longterm, everyone in the industry has lost their position at somepoint from what I gather - or am I wrong?

I want to hear from anyone who has had long term success with SEO say for 6 months or longer....

[oodlum]

Winnipeg real estate

What on earth is wrong with that?

1 good site out of 10. Nice!

Here's number 4:

the fifth estate MacKinnon, Leslie ... World Report Maffin, Tod »Real Life Chronicles ... Marilyn » CBC News: CountryWide - Winnipeg ¦ CBC News ...

AltaVista, circa '96

[Dave_Hawley]

I can only see a few out of the first 10 that are not relavent. If you want the results to be more relavent then narrow down your search! I think you need to read this URL
[google.com...]

Even a hammer is no good for hammering in nails if it's not used properly!

AltaVista, circa '96

My question still stands.

[georgeek]

Name one other popular SE that spiders ALL web pages in the world for free.

ding! AlltheWeb

Try it on 'Winnipeg real estate' much better SERPS :)

[Dave_Hawley]

bzzzz!

ALLTheWeb;
Submitted sites will be scheduled for addition to AlltheWeb.com. We do not add all submitted URLs to our index, and we cannot make any predictions or guarantees about when or if they will appear.

You might also want to check your stats to see just how popular they are......not :o)

Dave

[webjefe]

Google is now in a different league to any of the other SEs. AV is simply where Google was last month

Sounds like a recommendation for AV. :)

Google SEO longterm?

Who knows?

SEO actually helped Google provide good results for quite a while. Although a few spam sites appeared in the results, most SEO techniques were done to help bring more relevant pages to the top of the SERPs. (I know I wasn't attempting to optimize my blue widget pages to appear at the top of the SERPs for red thingamajigs.) Proper SEO techniques required study and hard work and rewarded good sites. This has been a tough balancing act for Google and the SEOs.

This latest algo change, in my opinion, has upset that delicate balance.

In Google's ideal world, no one would attempt to do any optimization, and Google would continue to modify their algorithm providing what they believe are better and better results.

In the real world, people are going to continue to do whatever they can to bring their sites to the top of the SERPs.

The only certainty is that things will continue to change.
To survive, you need to adapt to the changes.

[sidyadav]

The most dis-advantage of AllTheWeb is that its not a "Service" like Google and other engine's. Its just a show case of the product named "FAST", so people often refer to it as a "Showcase", but still, AllTheWeb is pretty cool, with design and stuff...

Sid

[Brenda_J]

As long as you have that mind-set you are going to lose "the game". Google never has and never will tell you "the rules" so you are playing blind-folded.

I hear you Dave.

The SERPS are the face of their algorithm though. The SERPS don't lie, the SERPS are like the cookie crumbs lying on the floor leading to the cookie thief:)

By the time you *think* you have figured out one of the rules, it will have changed.

I've seen clear glass windows which are less transparent than Google's ranking criteria;) It's only been a few days, give us some time;)

[Dave_Hawley]

Ok, best of luck. I'll continue on as I always have though.....onwards and upwards with no stress :o)

Dave

[plumsauce]

Submitted sites will be scheduled for addition to AlltheWeb.com. We do not add all submitted URLs to our index, and we cannot make any predictions or guarantees about when or if they will appear.

effectively the same as google,
no guaranteed inclusion
no guaranteed schedule

[georgeek]

ALLTheWeb;
Submitted sites will be scheduled for addition to AlltheWeb.com. We do not add all submitted URLs to our index, and we cannot make any predictions or guarantees about when or if they will appear.

Ding!

Google
We do not add all submitted URLs to our index, and we cannot make any predictions or guarantees about when or if they will appear.

You might also want to check your stats to see just how popular they are......not

Who said they were popular?

Wake up Hawley :)

[oodlum]

georgeek lol

Beat me to it :)

I can only see a few out of the first 10 that are not relavent.

With respect (and I mean that) there are many more sites out there that are more relevant. Sites that are primarily about, oh I don't know, Winnipeg real estate?

I think Google needs to add a new search tip on top of their results.

Tip: if you actually want to find what you typed in the box, try adding -plplplplplpllp. Or quotes. Or both. If that doesn't work, make sure you use a 3 word search term and add -plplplplplpllp twice.

[lasko]

I hate to admit it but I think their is something wrong.

It just so happens thats some results being returned that are relative but lack in quality etc.

As in the article above I have started to use the -mt-tb.cgi after a keyword. I am finding the results far better and this is nothing to do with my own sites.

I have searched for hotels + destination and the top result was the weather site and then a page that had links to sites for the destination.

Its also seems that sites over 500 pages are not effected much however sites with only 200 pages or less are being thrown all over the place.

Again I keep saying this update is not finished and it will be weeks less then months before we see good results again.

SEO long term is very important as in structure of your site and content.

:)

[Dave_Hawley]

Georgeek

Who said they were popular?

Ok, let me spoon feed you then. I asked the question;

<<Name one other popular SE that spiders ALL web pages in the world for free>>

You replied with: AlltheWeb so YOU are the one saying they are popular, not me. Good grief!

Now, while Google have basically the same no guaranteed inclusion text there is one major difference. Google WILL find your site so long as any other site links to it.

Georgeek, I think you should think before you type :o)

With respect (and I mean that) there are many more sites out there that are more relevant. Sites that are primarily about, oh I don't know, Winnipeg real estate?

The number 1 site was about just that. Also, whether the SERPs are relevant or not will vary from user to user. As I have already said, if you want more relavence then learn how to search with Google.

What worries me so much is many of you guys are in the business of SEO.

Dave

[highman]

Superscript - got my support :)

Presuming the update stays as is;

Fact - Google is not as relevant as it was (if anyone tells toy different they have a hidden agenda)
Fact - Users will realise
Fact - Users will go elsewhere
Fact - This is good news if you can ride the storm

At last all eggs will not be in one basket (traffic wise)

Would love to see Google roll this update back and then hear people swallow their words, but I fear that may not happen

R.I.P Google - You were good - very good

[Dave_Hawley]

Would love to see Google roll this update back and then hear people swallow their words, but I fear that may not happen

Yeah right, Google would rather go out of business than admit the SERPs are not as good.

It would appear many here have been offered some good advise, yet most STILL insist on helping WW grow and complain to deaf ears rather than spending the energy on their own sites.

Oh and BTW as you say the SERPs are so bad for "winnepeg real estate" I take it you have the SERPs for this search term pre Florida?

Dave

[edited by: Dave_Hawley at 9:18 am (utc) on Nov. 25, 2003]