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So it got me to thinking. Why would Google want to update those backlinks anymore? Updating backlinks for public display is not directly related to Google's core mission of providing useful search results for users, and seems to me, makes it easier for SEOs and Webmasters to manipulate search engine results - or at least understand, WHY those search engine results are happening the way they are. In addition, by showing backlinks, Google makes it easier for Webmasters to de facto sell PR / placement, as they can offer proof to their advertisers that buying a text link on their site is being recognized by Google and will improve search engine placement.
I see this is a slightly different issue than displaying PR. No one outside of Google knows the formula that drives PR. PR is a blackbox that can be used by Google however they want: as a proxy for the value of a site, or as a smokescreen to keep SEOs focused on something other than search engine manipulation (read: pr manipulation)
So if Google is faced with a choice between displaying backlinks as a helpful tool for Webmasters or providing useful search results for their users, of course they are going to choose the latter.
So maybe the message that Google is sending by not updating Backlinks is - you know what you need to do ethically build a good, well-indexed, well trafficked sites (see: [webmasterworld.com...] As you know what to do, we are no longer going to tell you which sites linking to you are helping your search engine placement - but we (Google) know exactly which sites are linking to you, and which sites are helping.
Anyone buy this?
New pages are being added, but the 'expected' response of changes in backlinking has not made a difference (IMHO/IMH range of sites) for a while..
- They've either dropped backlink/pr (-hmm no) or they just havn't updated it.
They have_too updated backlinks, neener-neener! ;)
You don't just simply move from hovering against the back wall sitting it out on the bench to up_to_bat, front_and_center at home plate without a backlinks update. It just doesn't happen that way.
They haven't gone all the way, but they did update back-links at some point, though they may not want us to know they have. Hence the toolbar inconsistencies and inaccuracies. imho, of course.
Updating backlinks for public display is not directly related to Google's core mission
Wether G stops displaying backlinks or not:
Other SE _do_ support it (even better)
=> It doesn't make a difference for SEOs
=> G won't stop displaying them.
Last backlink update for me was about 3-4 weeks ago, nothing to worry about.
I have also found that new pages are not exactly getting swooped up in the daily fresh updates. I've been converting sites from cfm to php and the new php pages are nowhere and I'm still getting hits on expired pages. I think the freshbot is actually adding less than before.
I think that Google does LOTS of things that the vast majority of normal surfers don't know about, e.g. PR indicator, commands like "allinurl, link", calculator, backlinks, etc.
Perhaps they will now do it whenever they update their directory (about twice per year!).
You serious about that Dave_Hawley?
I have been waiting for my site that was listed in dmoz to appear at google directory for 2 months already.
When is the next directory update expected?
Google freshbot is just not adding pages the way it used to. AlltheWeb is doing a much faster job than Google in this area.
Could it be that Google's 4.5 billion indexed pages is about all she wrote for the short term?
If so, Google is going to leave some real room for the new Yahoo conglomerate to chew on!
As far as I can tell, on 12 seperate sites, with three seperate ages.. They HAVE NOT moved since August-Middle(ish) When I say 'Backlinks' I'm only refering to 'link:www.somedomainthatsnottaken.com' etc
Can anybody here CONFIRM that they've seen a significant/permanent change in their site's backlinks since middle-late August..
(Those sites were PR6's and 5's)
I am relatively new to all this so excuse me if I am posting this in the wrong place.
In June, I did a link: search on Google to see how many web sites were linking to the site of a non profit org I help out.
Google returned 56 links.
I then did a search for the URL of the organization's web site and got a list of over 300 pages.
I then made up a link page for their web site (they did not have one before) and waited for the bot to spider it.
The link page contained over 300 links, all on topic. None of them required a link in return for linking to this organization. All of them are active.
A new link: search on Google returned 23 links.
I read a FAQ on Google, that link pages should not contain more than 100 links, so I split the links onto four pages, with 90 or less links on each page, and again waited for the bot to spider them.
The link: search on Google still returns 23 links.
The number of links on other search engines went up:
but not on Google.
Most of the web site's pages show up in the top 5 to 20 hits in searches for their keywords, so I do not know if I should care.
Just to complicate matters, I use a Mac, and do not have access to a PC, so the toolbar is not available to me.
Any ideas about what is going on?