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1. Me (Great! - i've got a PR of 7)
2. A competitor with no PR at all showing on my Google toolbar!
3. Another competitor with a PR of 5
My question is, how can no.2 be doing it?
One additional piece of info... They own literally dozens of sites (not sure if they are separate IP addresses). But virtually no one outside these links to them. But if Google is taking account of these, which isnt it crediting the PR?
confused!
no PR at all showing on my Google toolbar!
Is it grey or white (PR0)?
Have you checked whether it's a redirect?
Relevance for keyword is not only a factor of PR. In most cases the amount of links with corresponding anchor text ("keyword") plays a more important role.
You can't check backlinks with Google very well because most are not shown. Check them with another SE.
My assumption is that it is a redirect, with lots of keyword links pointing to the original site.
Welcome to Webmaster World, bluegrass!
PR in the toolbar is all white...
How can I check if it's a redirect?
A site with low tbpr can easily beat a high tbpr sites.
Who cares about tbpr when you look at it like that.
How can I check if it's a redirect?
Easy. Look for the URL in the SERP. Click on it. Look at the URL in your browser. If they are different there was a redirect.
You could also
- use the Searchengineworld header checker to check for 30x redirects
- check the source of the page in the SERP (not the redirected one) for meta redirects, JS redirects and frames a.s.o.
I think their listing success is all because just that they have a shed load of sites (set up how, I dont know) all including a banner ad with that one domain...
Will Google reduce their listing if I tell them they own all the sites that link to them?
1. PR is only updated every few (3?) weeks
2. Multiple domain names (with www or without etc). They all have their own PR unless Google recognizes them to be duplicate
PR in the toolbar is all white...
Sounds like a brand new website. They could have accumulated many backlinks already, and the site is performing as a PR 5- it's just that the toolbar hasn't been updated yet.
Go to dnsstuff.com and run their domain name and see how old it is.
This is common and not a big deal. It's not really a situation that they are doing anything shady. You may even see the site bounce out of there for a couple weeks.
The more important thing here is that it may reveal a shortcoming in your optimization if this website can overtake you. Find your shortcoming and fix it. Otherwise once the PR and backlinks are updated you're going to find this site camping out there on a permanent basis.
I know because this is how my own brand new websites perform- they have incredible kung fu coming out of the gate. And are near untouchable once the backlinks and PR have updated.
People confuse page rank with PageRank(tm) too often. They should've called it BrinRank(tm).
Are they all the same content on the other sites? If not, then quite moaning about how their beating you and start going thorugh the threads to see how to improve your rank.
Ratting someone out for owning a bunch of sites that are different will get you no where.
They index billions of web pages. they dont ahev time to look at individual sites. Not worth even fireing up outlook to write the email. :)
In your case I don't think they spam, it's more likely that it's just a new site.
However, to answer your question about spam reporting:
I filed many spam reports (hidden links, noscript, frameclipping, etc) but G never penalized them.
This quote says it all:
[...]To that end, a Google employee has been
quoted as saying that rather that penalise certain spam techniques
with a ban, the algorithm may be set just to ignore the spam[...]
Taken from here [groups.google.de...]
I'me agreeing with DragonLady7, if u'r not spamming the keywords on your page. And have loads of relevant content, your page can outrank any "Google PR Rating" , i've done it myself. (the competitor has a pr of 8+)
GoodLuck,
1) They are NOT a newly listed site.
2) They DONT have lots of relevant content.
3) They HAVE linked to the site from lots of sites of their own.
I guess if you set up a bunch of sites and link to one from it, (or to all from each) you can get a good listing...
So they have a lot of backlinks with the right anchor text and it will take a couple of weeks for the PR to show.
for a seven word phrase, it ranks #1 in the SERPs with a white PR0... been there for one or two weeks, now... google reports 10200 results for the phrase (no quotes around it) and of those, only the top 9 are the exact same phrase... the others have some of the words in them... the meta keywords on my page only carries three of the words in this particular phrase...
if anyone wants to take a look, sticky me... this is not commercial or marketing related...
The way to spot the wheat from the chaff was to check the backlinks of the page in question. If it showed no backlinks it was really a pagerank zero. If it showed backlinks Google was counting it as something other than a zero (probably > PR4 which is the norm to show backlinks).
Does the site show backlinks?
seven word phrase..... 10200 results
Hi wkitty42
The phrase you mentioned - I'm assuming the 10200 results that it is topping is a 'freeform' search.
If you search with the phrase enclosed in quote marks - "seven word phrase" - how many results are there?
<add> ah.. sorry, not reading clearly today. I see it was a freeform search. </add>
example.com/articles?name=blah&id=blerg
I do think we should expect it to be possible to get results in other ways than by getting links. Not quite as easy, and definitely not as predictable, but still possible.
Still, i think Google would be rather reluctant to give up the concept of backlinks or even decrease it's importance, as it clearly is a good and valid measure as long as the site holder does not control these links. So backlinks will probably still be the primary way to a good placement for a while.
/claus
I've been around a few months but still don't fully understand the H1 tag concept of which you speak...
1) has a domain name which is the keyword (a two-word keyphrase actually)
2) has one link from a government site with a high PR
That seems to be enough to push it up to no 2 in the SERP.
I'm no 1, and I have over 200 backlinks, but I'm now thinking I should change my name to something with the full keyphrase!
I see now that sites usually climb up first and get the respective PR later. And a jump from nothing to PR5 is not a miracle.
