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I would like to receive comments on a pagerank strategy I developed based on cases, advices and comments I received from others.
Maybe you learn something from it. Mayby you can give me comments on parts of the plan. When things are wrong I would very much appreciate comments/advice.
Strategy:
1. We develop a mother-page (the general response page)
2. We developed about 400 keywords
3. We are about to register 20 domains
4. We create 20 x 400 subdomains (keyword.domainname.com)
4. We create contentpages (automated) for each subdomain. On each page we have a logo, general copy with 5-10 times our keyword mentioned.
We also create contentpages for the mother-page. For each keyword, we create one page. So 400 pages.
We also create contentpages for each domain (example: http://www.domainname.com/keywordcontentpage.htm)
Doing this we realize:
- 20 x 400 = 6000 unique subdomain pages (keyword.domainname.com)
- 20 x 400 = 6000 unique domain pages (http://www.domainname.com/keywordcontentpage.htm)
- for main/important keywords (about 50) we create extra pages on every subdomain en domain
50 x 20 = 1000
50 x 20 = 1000
5. When a user enters a contentpage of the mother-page, he will be automatically transferred tot the motherpage
6. We take care of: link text, page title, heading tags, ALT tags, Domain names, Filenames, Directory Names, Keyword Density
7. We submit: 14.000 pages en monitor 400 keywords with Webposition Gold (or home made application)
8. We submit to dmoz.org
9. We try to get additional links from individual relevant sites.
10. And wait for the next Google-dance
Thank you for your comments.
Somehow I feel you are Dutch like me :-) , and if you would have followed the news on Planet Multimedia in the past weeks you would have noticed two articles about a Car-trader using the same old spam techniques.
Not only his reputation was ruined in the media, he also recently received the Google Penalty so you won't find him anymore and his trick got useless... Some people get out of business when they can't be found on Google anymore. Is that worth it for you?
Well good luck with your projects and please learn form the ones who still are in the index.. :-)
Jeroen
8. We submit to dmoz.org
This is where the whole plan comes unstuck :o)
Dave
you're right you don't get it.Even his first name is a give away and he is probably having a good laugh now.:)
Surely the word "unethical" is being grossly misused here. Its more a case of being "against google policy" than it is of being "unethical"
To me, ethics relates to important life issues.... not about whether your site's design complies with a single, specific search engine's ideals about how the internet should be.
pfft
GOOGLE - wake up!
You'll need to revise that to:
8. We submit just the main front page of the entire site to the one best category in DMOZ. We don't submit any deeplinks, subdomains, or alternative domains.
1 - It works, these folks are #1 and #2 for a lot of terms on Google and they dominate the other SE's (we're beating them cleanly for our terms on Google).
2 - They've been doing it a looong time now, but aren't in a very very competative industry so this must be why they are getting away with it (oh, and the cluster is no where near 1000 pages).
It seems that it can be done if you fly below the radar (I wonder if their clients are aware of what's happening).
I don't advocate it and will keep reporting it, but the fact is Google isn't penalizing it.
Again my $00.02, but Google not only has missed link clusters, but has ignored spam report after spam report and I'm talking about for months. They seemed to think it is a good ranking strategy.
Pardon my stupid question, but how is a link cluster distinguishable from a theme-related neighborhood? Other than the first is put up by a "spammy" SEO and the other is the result of webmasters in the same category all linking to each other?
In one thread all I hear is "related links should count more! natural linking structures!" etc, etc and here it's "link clusters are spammy!"
So, please tell me how Google is going to algorithmically tell the difference, or better yet, why it should.
But then again, a very large online Auction house is doing almost exactly the same thing, but more automated - so I guess what 'Google says', and what 'Google does' - are two totally different things...
What the OP is doing, to me, is cheating. What an auction site does is not cheating since each page has unique, relevant content.
Ultimately, this could be the downfall for search relevance in Google.
Out of frustration, I am planning to use this technique for multiple areas ... travel, shopping and porn. One tries to play by the game rules ... but since Google does not enforce the rules of play ... ALL IS FAIR!
I will take the risk. The cluster sites use throw-away domains anyway ... so there is no risk. You just keep registering a new set of domain names each month and repeating the process. Before your sites get banned .. you have moved onto a new cluster.
IT WORKS .. I see it in action!
Anyone want to take a guess as to the original posters identity?
(wasn't me btw!)
TJ
but how is a link cluster distinguishable...
I believe that it has to do with original content - a theme of websites delivering some form of similar but original content is good, 8 of 10 results having the same content and referring back to the same page is bad (depending on your POV ;-] )
Anyone want to take a guess as to the original posters identity?
Judging from some of the Pubcon comments going around, I'm gonna guess Dave_N.
Perhaps, it's more appropriate to title this thread into 'Will this work and why?' that way we can intelligently discuss the pros and cons of such technique, minus the jeering.
Please, please, tell us more....
