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Clean site but PR0 for 1 year and poor rankings

What is wrong?

         

Ulkari

7:24 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I have moved my site one year ago to a new domain and new (shared) server (URL in my profile). It used to rank very well and had PR 5. Many pages of quality graphical content, some good links including DMOZ listings.

It is clean as far as I can tell, but ... Google does not index it all (crawls only a couple of pages per visit), PR has stayed at 0 for one year, and the rankings are poor to say the least.

I wonder if there is some kind of light penalty behind it, but I can't figure what's wrong, since I never used bad tricks.

The only major modification from the former site is that the structure is paralleled (have added support for a second language, each page has a link to the same page in the other language).

Would greatly appreciate any tip, I am struggling to get any new link because of the PR0. Not mentionning that traffic is 10% of what it used to be. Very frustrating.

J-F

claus

7:58 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How many inbound links do you have? You say "graphical content" - is it a Flash site? Did you put up a 301 Redirect when you switched domain? What happened to the old domain?

/claus


Added: Welcome to WebmasterWorld ulkari :)

Ulkari

8:11 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It is a site about photographs. About 1000 of them. No flash, only plain and validated HTML.

I could not put a Redirect when I switched domain (no .htaccess possible and not control over the server). I put on every page of the old domain a link to the new page and removed the old content. After a while, replaced the link by the URL in plain text just in case. The old domain still exists, pages still there with only new pages' URL in plain text as a content and "We have moved" as the title.

About 20 (?) good incoming links and total about 150-200 counting the DMOZ copies.

takagi

8:19 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So the old site still exists? What is the PR of the old home page?

Do you have any text on the pages, and if not are the titles unique?

Ulkari

8:28 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The old site's PR is now 4 (homepage), even though there has not been any content for ages.

On the old site, the title is the same for all pages and there is one line of text with the new URL.

On the "new" (1-year old) site, there is some text (captions) and the titles are mostly unique (based on images' captions again). Sometimes captions are the same (same location) for a bunch of images/pages though, but that was the same on the old site. Keyword density is obviously high since there is little text, but similar to well-ranking competition.

I really appreciate your looking into it, thanks.

J-F

takagi

8:36 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The old site's PR is now 4 (homepage), even though there has not been any content for ages.

Even if the site can be spidered because of the robots.txt doesn't allow that, then it is still posible to have a PageRank. PR depends on links to a page, and as long as these links exists (and there is no penalties, the site is still online, no 301 redirect etc) it will keep that PR.

takagi

9:01 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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After a while, replaced the link by the URL in plain text just in case.

I think that made it only worse. Real links work better (both for Google and the visitor). The best thing to do is a 301 redirect, but as you explained that is not an option in your case. I've no personal experience with this, but I read that other members put with some success a meta refresh in such a similar case. It took some longer, but eventually the PageRank transfer was (almost) complete.

It will also help if you can get some webmasters linking to the old pages, to update the links.

With www.alltheweb.com you can find links that google doesn't show (although Google most likely knows about these links and these links are considered for calculating the PR).

See also: hoster doesn't support .htaccess or asp [webmasterworld.com]

Ulkari

9:11 am on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But since the new site has been indexed in DMOZ and most of the incoming links have been updated a long time ago, shouldn't that be enough to get a PR?

I checked the number of incoming links to the new site with alltheweb indeed. Another interesting thing is that Alltheweb does not spider/index the site even though it shows almost 200 incoming links. I emailed with a guy at Alltheweb who said he did not see why it was the case and since there is nothing obviously wrong with my site it had been manually added for the next update. Nothing has happened yet, though.

claus

4:44 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Takagi is right. If you can edit the old site, you should replace the text links with <a href> links.

Then you should add the <meta refresh> tag to each page on the old site (pointing to the new site) and keep the time interval before the refresh low (max 2-5 seconds or lower). Have no other content on the page than the meta and the link, not even title.

Most important: Apply this tag to each of the old pages:

<meta name="robots" content="noindex,follow">

This specifies that the page should be removed from the index and that the links on the page should be followed and indexed. Not all robots will interpret "noindex" as "remove" but Gbot does, afaik.

It will take some time. Then again, you have been waiting for long already. Keep it for a few months just to be sure, then delete all pages on the old site altogether. Keep the front page redirect (for a while more) if you wish.

/claus

Ulkari

5:03 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK, I've now done that, thanks for the tip. But I still don't understand what is the problem with the new site: since I had decoupled the old and the new by removing the links and the contents I thought that Google should see the new one as a brand new site.

claus

8:17 pm on Sep 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> Google should see the new one as a brand new site.

I agree.

The only explanation i can think of is that there are still some remains of the old site somewhere in the system, and that they somehow get confused, as the old pages still exist (albeit without content). Otherwise there's always the hard way, deleting it all and returning just 404's (and ultimatively, stopping DNS for the old domain and returning a DNS error). The "noindex" is the polite way if you can't make a 301 on the server.

/claus