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Prior to emerald or whatever the last update was called, I reported his hidden text site to google and it was penalized immediately. (You can't find his site anywhere now.)
I was hoping that with this new PR7 link I would get to enjoy the benefits my competitor had, but so far this hasn't happened, nor has my pr adjusted yet...and this was done over a month ago.
My question is, since the PR7 site links to my penalized competitor, would that be a red flag to google, causing a devalued interpretation of my backlink from the PR7 site?
I give my users pages and pages of some of the best content available on a topic. Everything else springs from that. It is not hard at all to follow google's rules when you have good content.
I suspect you will cringe when you read this thread in another 12 months or so and you are wiser WRT search engines.. AND you have been shafted for blindly following one-sided rules without question.
By the way... I'm not complaining. I'm simply trying to enlighten. I'm clearly wasting my time with some folk though.
I'm also not the first who has given up on you: not my loss, yours... but you certainly won't accept that... YET.
The field is yours, respond with whatever garbage you wish... I'm off to SEO... read that however you want.
[edited by: Napoleon at 10:14 pm (utc) on July 16, 2003]
shasan says: Breaking these rules hurt fellow webmasters.
Google's inability to implement its own rules hurts fellow webmasters!
When I create my sites I'm thinking about my visitors first. If I want to take a chance and use a questionable technique that benefits my users - it is my business only. If I get excluded from their index - my problem. Do I have to be aware of the Google rules? ONLY if I care about ranking... I'll have a choice to fix the problem or get my traffic from the other engines, right? So WHEN should I think ETHICS here?
Spamming is wrong. Since there is no other big players on the SE market - I follow the Google rules. I have to.
[edited by: wertwert at 10:30 pm (utc) on July 16, 2003]
you state that if you want to use a 'questionable' technique that it is up to you.
the point is that google has defined very clearly what techniques not to use.
if you choose to use one of those, then be prepared to be kicked out of their index of the web.
if you are comfortable losing google traffic, then use hidden text, hidden links, and cloaking.
otherwise, turn away from the dark side, and join the webmasters that build high quality sites without cheating.
That could be true. Doesn't change anything. If it is true, then people should lobby and protestand make Google change their ways. Short of that, there's nothing really one can do is there?
The question at some point BECAME :) whether it was OK to report people or not. I think it is.
Yet again, someone tossses off a gratitous insult without addressing the issues. Is it a coincidence that those who need to cheat to compete can't defend their indefensible position? Of course not. The insulting posts here where people who play by the rules are attacked by those who cheat tell what there is to tell.
Play by the rules, or don't. That is your decision. The link is above. Google provides guidance, and asks for help. If you want to play a fair game, its all right there. If you want to cheat, and cut in line, and break the rules, that is the type of life you can choose for yourself. Those of us who want to play fair are still going to do our best to see that everyone does play fair.
I to see many spammers above me in serps , and have thought about
1 If you cant beat them join them
2 reporting them
3 get on with my business and let them and google worry about theirs
In the end I chose number 3
1 What goes round comes round
2 Google will get wise to some of these tricks of the trade
and then these guys will bleat and i will cry buckets for them!
3 I am sure there are things I do with my business that have not been 100% ethical so he has no sin throw the first stone ( me im sure i am a sinner )
If the guy who first posted this felt his hands were lilly white then to report abuse was his perrogative not my personal style but we are all different
Steveb - if you are a poker player you will know a lot about odds. You will also know about diversification.
Clearly you are pursuing a low risk strategy which entails the high cost of working hard on your site. There are other strategies which involve more risk with less work and then high risk with minimal work. Every punter takes his choice based on his risk-reward profile. Some of us play more than one hand at a time. This diversifies our risk and minimizes our losses.
Spam is a bluff. As in Poker, sometimes you get caught, sometimes not. There is no shame in being caught. It's just your financial loss if the stakes were high.
I see the internet the same way. I'm surprised you don't.
I have never used cloaking, but maybe that would be a way forward for a lot of site developers. Instead of many different rules there could be one rule. Do what you want as long as it is on topic. If we all did it then sites could focus on being more user and content friendly rather than focusing on doing something "illegal". Ok it would have to be made a lot more simple than it currently is but by making it available to everyone then it doesn't create an "unfair advantage"
I don't know about you but I much prefer a site which looks good, works well, has good content (not just content) and is on topic i.e matches my search criteria well. How that person got there doesn't bother me as long as it fits the bill. I do not feel cheated or misled, quite to the contrary I feel saitisfied and informed.
Anyway, it's all pie in the sky as there will never be a utopia. John Lennon couldn't be more wrong with Imagine. Not saying it doesn't appeal but it is not realistic now or ever. In order to know black we need white, to understand good we need bad, rich we need poor. That is the way of the world, Darwins survival of the fittest holds true now in the virtual world just as much as it did during the Roman empire.
Um, no, and obviously not. Kid yourself if you want but don't expect us to fall for such foolishness.
Bluffing is within the rules. Spam is CHEATING. And the parallel is right on. Cheaters have no scruples. they think winning is everything, like the crazy post above where the guy was happy because he made money. We are in the same game, and if someone is cheating in my game, they are stealing from me and the others in the game. The honest players will toss the cheater out. Only fools would not.